UEFA warns Croatia's vile fans: Racially abuse England players and we'll kick you out

[CDNBear]

Easy guys. I can see where you are coming from Daz, but to be honest, until you mentioned it, I had the same impression of the typical English soccer fanatic.

I agree, it is much more civilized now, but as we have learnd time and time again, it is usually the worst that lingers longest.

I have seen soccer games live, in Ireland. Not professional matches, but there was enough passion to paint the whole of England. I can't say I heard racial slurs, but I heard enough swearing to last me awhile.

I've heard it when I was young and played Lacrosse, I heard it when I played semi pro Footbal(Grid Iron) for the now defunked Toronto Eagles. Hell my kids have heard it while playing Lacrosse. It is existant. It is not the driving force upon which the hooliganism of the past was born. That was morethe colour of your jersey, then the colour of your skin.

But come on now Daz. As a youth and even as an adult, you would be a rare exception to say that you have never heard a racial slur at a pro soccer match, coming from the English fans.

BTW, I'm not trying to start a fight, I just asking suggestively. lol.

Dear god I'm bored today.....really I am.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

I'd agree, I've heard racial slurs, I've heard monkey noises...heck my own club got into trouble about 5 years ago after Mido (an egyptian soccer player) turned us down and went to the "predominatly" jewish club Tottenham Hotspur. Some, and I mean a VERY small minority decided to sing to him:

"Shoe, shoe, shoe-bomber!!" - which ended up with a fine.

But, as far as foul language. This is actually continously discussed by football fans. Some are of the opinion that Soccer (notice I use the term interchangably, I have come to accdept the word Soccer is born from the phrase association football) fans go to football not for a nice pleasant tate-a-tate but rather a "lad's day out" in which you should expect language.

We have specialised family enclosures because of this, and the universal opinion around here is that if you don't want to hear such language, dont take em in anything but the family enclosure. Also you can generally tell the wealth of a person in the UK if they call it soccer or football...bet you didn't know that!!.

 

[CDNBear]

...bet you didn't know that!!.

No I didn't, I take it the upper crust as it were, use the term "Soccer" and the lower class use the term "Football"?

Before anyone jumps up my ass, I mere used those descriptions to illustrate the diffence, not cast by class.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Indeed. It is true, Most private schools will overwhelingly teach Rugby football over here and won't generally play what is refered to as "soccer". Certainly in the south of England anyway.Even the "upper classes" will generally try to call it football here, just to hide their private school backgrounds.

My own club had this problem with our chairman, a big city banker who, frankly had never played a game of "soccer" in his life and prefered rugger and duck shooting. Now I'm not sure if it was his suggestions that he could infact manage our club or his general upbringing that turned pretty much the nation against him, nevertheless, his use of the word "soccer" was used as a method of derision against him, his class and the fact he was public-shooled.

nope, you would certainly have a few problems here if you went around calling it "soccer", I know better, I know soccer is a derivative of the word football, most don't. but as I say, the whole game of soccer here is a class thing, which frankly is incredibly complicated and far to in-depth for a comment such as "all english football fans are violent hooligans", which they frankly are not.

Believe it or not, it all boils down to class here.

 

[CDNBear]

What exactly is the differences between Public and Private school, in GB? If I remember correctly it is not like our system of Public and Private schools. It's been a while, I could just be getting old.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

A public school is in fact a private one here, and a state school is what you would refer to as a public school. Sounds confusing right?.

I don't think it is that unusual for the upper classes in any nation to predominantly fill private schools and the working classes the state run ones. But the whole "public school for leaders, state school for the plebians" hasn't gone away.

both games were actually invented in private schools, Harrow and Eton actually, but they followed very differing paths, soccer is much older, and if I ever caught the kid that picked that ball up.....opps.

 

[CDNBear]

A public school is in fact a private one here, and a state school is what you would refer to as a public school. Sounds confusing right?.

I don't think it is that unusual for the upper classes in any nation to predominantly fill private schools and the working classes the state run ones. But the whole "public school for leaders, state school for the plebians" hasn't gone away.

both games were actually invented in private schools, Harrow and Eton actually, but they followed very differing paths, soccer is much older, and if I ever caught the kid that picked that ball up.....opps.

Thanx, I take back my assumption that you know nothing, btw.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Thanx, I take back my assumption that you know nothing, btw.

Well, British schooling is something I know a fair bit about. I should, I've just started my PGCE (post grad cert. in education) in ICT. I just find history shockingly relevant to anything today, IT included.



But I still haven't a clue where that village is.

 

[CDNBear]

http://www.wallingford-oxon.net/

http://www.le.ac.uk/ar/njc10/wallingford_project/index_files/Page564.htm

 

[Daz_Hockey]

I'm a bit suprised and shocked, I noticed the village was in Oxfordshire, and recalled making jest of my granmother coming from near Reading in Buckinghamshire, well, I recalled her rebuffing my joke by stating "I'm from oxfordshire actually".

And that got me wondering, I typed in the village name, had a bit of a look at the map and was a bit suprised. My Grandmother comes from a village called Stoke Row. Now as you seem to know a fair bit about the village of your ancestory, you'll probably know it's surrounded by a couple of Stokes, Stoke row being the nearest.

I went there the other week with my father, Grandfather and Grandmother to visit some of her family in the village graveyard, that place is surrounded by wood, it's like the village of the damned!!....so there you go, I'm sure I know someone who would be familiar with that village, having grown up next to it!!.

how shocking!.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm a bit suprised and shocked, I noticed the village was in Oxfordshire, and recalled making jest of my granmother coming from near Reading in Buckinghamshire, well, I recalled her rebuffing my joke by stating "I'm from oxfordshire actually".

And that got me wondering, I typed in the village name, had a bit of a look at the map and was a bit suprised. My Grandmother comes from a village called Stoke Row. Now as you seem to know a fair bit about the village of your ancestory, you'll probably know it's surrounded by a couple of Stokes, Stoke row being the nearest.

I went there the other week with my father, Grandfather and Grandmother to visit some of her family in the village graveyard, that place is surrounded by wood, it's like the village of the damned!!....so there you go, I'm sure I know someone who would be familiar with that village, having grown up next to it!!.

how shocking!.

Now that is funny. I visisted it years ago, when I was in Ireland on work. We finished the job early and we played hookie for a few days with the company card. Nothing like a free vacation on the company dime.

I like England for touring, it's small enough to see in a relatively short time span. If you know what you want to see and know how to get there.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Indeed, coming from Southampton, and having Stonehenge, what?, 10 miles away, I've never actually bothered to go and have a look. Maybe it's because the trains are a bit dodgy or there's no direct bus there, but there is plenty to see, it's if you can be bothered.

dear oh dear this has certainly deviated from football hooliganism.

(I mean, I visited Niagara when I was in Toronto, but in fact, that's pretty much a southampton-to-London type journey, I'd say me to Stonehenge is like GTA to Scarborough)...pitiful really.

 

[CDNBear]

Indeed, coming from Southampton, and having Stonehenge, what?, 10 miles away, I've never actually bothered to go and have a look. Maybe it's because the trains are a bit dodgy or there's no direct bus there, but there is plenty to see, it's if you can be bothered.

dear oh dear this has certainly deviated from football hooliganism.

(I mean, I visited Niagara when I was in Toronto, but in fact, that's pretty much a southampton-to-London type journey, I'd say me to Stonehenge is like GTA to Scarborough)...pitiful really.

lol, it most certainly has, and we have seem to deviated considerably from our first steps.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

As long as you believe I am indeed English and am not a Yank or a Canuck on a wind-up.

My views tend to be pretty hard to comprehend at first, but after a couple of decades, most people understand em, not always agree of course, but I think we've reached an agreement...Although me and ITN still from time-to-time have our spats.

 

[cortex]

All moot. The anglish wont make to the cup.

 

[tracy]

I don't understand why anyone gets so worked up about a game as to act like a complete a$$. I don't feel sorry for the Croatians, I don't feel sorry for the English. If they act like adults, none of this hoopla will matter.

 

[cortex]

They get worked up because their real lives are---worthless--or so they think. Youth without the DREAM -of- the- great -nuclear -war -that- will- cleanse us--will degenerate into soccer hooligans, boy scouts and conservatives. they can only think of the next game, the next LITTLE war instead of training their maggot sized brains to think of how they can make a difference--how they can do anything --the smallest thing to make the world a little more unstable and so hassen the righteous fate that awaits us all.--idiots

 

[Daz_Hockey]

That's a very simplified and over-generalised view.

I'm afraid you have to take every case on it's merits, history and reasoning. British football violence has, suprisingly, very little to do with football at all. Same with most other examples. But it's far more complicated and varied than that cortex.

 

[CDNBear]

They get worked up because their real lives are---worthless--or so they think. Youth without the DREAM -of- the- great -nuclear -war -that- will- cleanse us--will degenerate into soccer hooligans, boy scouts and conservatives. they can only think of the next game, the next LITTLE war instead of training their maggot sized brains to think of how they can make a difference--how they can do anything --the smallest thing to make the world a little more unstable and so hassen the righteous fate that awaits us all.--idiots

I think you may have touched on something here, albeit, by mistake.

I have long believed that Governments subsidize pro sports to keep the masses busy.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Indeed.

Completely agree. I think it's certainly the case in the UK of that.