U.S. 'knew damn well' Arar would be tortured: senator

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After withering criticism in a Senate hearing, the U.S. attorney general promised more details on the case of Maher Arar, a Canadian who ended up in a cell in Syria.

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After withering criticism in a Senate hearing, the U.S. attorney general promised more details on the case of Maher Arar, a Canadian who ended up in a cell in Syria.

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"We knew damn well if he went to Canada he wouldn't be tortured," said Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont. "He'd be held and he'd be investigated.
"We also knew damn well if he went to Syria, he'd be tortured. And it's beneath the dignity of this country — a country that has always been a beacon of human rights — to send somebody to another country to be tortured."

Leahy seems to be mistaken. He should have said that it should be beneath the dignity ..., but since it happened, it is not beneath the dignity. In fact, it pretty much looks like protocol for the US to send innocent people to terrible places just to see what can be beaten out of them.
 

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"We knew damn well if he went to Canada he wouldn't be tortured," said Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont. "He'd be held and he'd be investigated.

Actually, they knew he WOULDN'T be held since part of the correspondence involved confirming that there wasn't enough on this side of the line to detain him. That should have raised a few flags right there.
 

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Actually, they knew he WOULDN'T be held since part of the correspondence involved confirming that there wasn't enough on this side of the line to detain him. That should have raised a few flags right there.

One has to look only as far as the death penalty to know that the US is not the beacon of human rights. What is more barbaric than murdering mentally retarded adults that committed a murder? What is more barbaric than treating children as adults in the courts? What is more barbaric that invading Iraq and endorsing the hanging of former officials such that their heads pop off. Just an aside, but wouldn't the guy have been somewhat disemboweled as well? Today, the US is the beacon of barbaric invasions and the violation of human rights internationally.
 

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I dunno. No point blaming the whole country. Seems to me all this fell out from a handful of whizkids on the Homeland Security mealticket operating on the assumption we're stupid.
 

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I dunno. No point blaming the whole country. Seems to me all this fell out from a handful of whizkids on the Homeland Security mealticket operating on the assumption we're stupid.

You're right. No point in blaming the entire country, even if they have a democratically (cough, cough, snicker) elected government that represents the people's wishes. If the people objected to what the homeland security whizkids were up to, they could have changed the government last time there was an election.
 

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You're right. No point in blaming the entire country, even if they have a democratically (cough, cough, snicker) elected government that represents the people's wishes. If the people objected to what the homeland security whizkids were up to, they could have changed the government last time there was an election.

they did
 

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You're right. No point in blaming the entire country, even if they have a democratically (cough, cough, snicker) elected government that represents the people's wishes. If the people objected to what the homeland security whizkids were up to, they could have changed the government last time there was an election.

This coming from a citizen of country that is ruled by people you have never voted for.

Amazing.
 

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Why do you think that I've never voted for the people that rule my country?

Because you haven't.

Executive Branch of Government in Canada:

The Sovereign; Have you voted for the Queen? No.

Governor General: Have you voted for the GG? No.

Prime Minister; When you cast your vote, did you vote for the PM or your MP? Your MP, you have no say who is leader of the party, hence no say who's the next PM.

Legislative Branch of Government in Canada:

Do you vote for any of the 105 members of the Senate? No.

The one person you vote for, your MP, does he/she have a say who will be in government cabinets? No. The person you never voted for decides that, your PM.

You only vote for one person, your MP.

I call that, not voting for the people who rule you.
 

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True, but the PM has to win an election. Losing to his/her opponent doesn't get him elected. The Queen etal don't rule anyone.
 

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They could have turfed Bush a couple of years ago and they didn't.

give them a break. they had the trauma of the towers to get over, the cabal that is Iraq to come to terms with and John Kerry as their only other option. if the Dem's had any cajones at all they would have gone with Dean instead of the blueblood. and Rove's deal with the devil hadn't reached its best before date, either.

some forces just don't turn that quickly.
 

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This coming from a citizen of country that is ruled by people you have never voted for.

Amazing.

:laughing7:

and you REALLY think you aren't.

that's hilarious.

as a collective your entire society is shoved so far up the military-industrial complex's ass the only part of it left showing is used as a pencil holder by the advertising agencies.

re-electing Bush was just a symptom. I mean, face it. the man's a **** ing idiot.

our government cabinet has more power than your founding fathers even had the nerve to put into one room. our governer general is the only thing that stands between them and dictatorship and here's something about it that Jefferson didn't have the brains to ever even dream of...

it works.
 

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Amazingly, in one hundred and forty years our governer general has not created a single bad policy.

go figure

and in comparison, how's your head of state doing?

oh yeah

right

he's a **** ing idiot.
 
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One has to look only as far as the death penalty to know that the US is not the beacon of human rights.
Each state has their own laws re: death penalty, and many of them do not allow it, and some do.

What is more barbaric than murdering mentally retarded adults that committed a murder?
What mentally retarded adults were murdured.

What is more barbaric than treating children as adults in the courts?
I am a canadian, and I agree in "many" cases that "children" (and they are usually well into their
teens)should be tried in adult court.

What is more barbaric that invading Iraq and endorsing the hanging of former officials such that their heads pop off.
If you are referring to the recent iraqi hanging, that was in the Iraqi court system.

Today, the US is the beacon of barbaric invasions and the violation of human rights internationally

I would agree in the case of "Iraq", and it would be nice if noone had to take part in "any war", but there are many
countries in the world who are much more barbaric than the u.s., and if one were to "just" turn the other cheek,
it would probably be blown off, or your head cut off, or thrown in some musty dirty jail for the rest of your life,
there are some very very bad people out there folks, and we better stay aware of that fact.
 

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Amazingly, in one hundred and forty years our governer general has not created a single bad policy.

go figure

and in comparison, how's your head of state doing?

oh yeah

right

he's a **** ing idiot.

At least we can blame ourselves for electing the idiot, who do you get to blame? Ah yes, Queen Elizabeths father banging her mother.

Hey, it's your system, if you're happy with it, I don't care. But next time there is a cough, snicker, cough about someone being democratically elected in the US, I'll remind him/her about the "modernized" caste system in use up North. Have a nice day. :wave:
 
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LOL