Tories Split Over Harper

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By GLORIA GALLOWAY

Thursday, September 15, 2005 Updated at 5:38 AM EDT

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Ottawa — Conservative Leader Stephen Harper is presiding over a house divided, with some supporters leaping to his defence and other party members lining up behind those who have called for his resignation.

One former Quebec candidate for the Progressive Conservatives was less than conciliatory yesterday in his response to the four current and former party members -- three of whom have been candidates -- who demanded in an open letter that Mr. Harper step down.

"Would you please leave the party as you are not acceptable or loyal," wrote David Bernstein, a retired lawyer.

"You are to blame for the fiasco in Quebec. It was people like you that supported Belinda [Stronach], now a Liberal! With friends like you, we do not need any enemies."

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Mr. Harper declined to comment on the controversy.

But Pierre Rémillard, one of the four authors of the controversial letter and the Conservative candidate in the Quebec riding of Jeanne-Le Ber, agreed the response has been mixed. He and the other dissenters have started a weblog to record the comments of party members.

"There are some MPs from Alberta who wrote to us, and some zealots, clearly, who said we are Liberals hiding in Conservative clothing," Mr. Rémillard said yesterday. "But I think the overwhelming majority of support we received clearly outclassed those negative e-mails that we got."

As a result, Mr. Rémillard said, he believes the movement to push out Mr. Harper is approaching. Some dissent has even been logged in Mr. Harper's province of Alberta.

When the letter surfaced, party officials responded by saying that the small number of signatories indicates that most of the party's Quebec candidates are satisfied.

Mr. Rémillard said a source inside the party has told him that 20 of the 75 people nominated by the Conservatives in Quebec are no longer running. He has asked Josée Verner, the party's Quebec lieutenant, for an accounting of who is still in the race and whether they support Mr. Harper.

"If she can't give a response, then we know they lied to Canadians yesterday," he said.

But Mr. Rémillard might have to fight with those in his own riding before he takes on the leader's office. Judith Seidman, the Conservative riding association president in Jeanne-Le Ber, said her organization was stunned by the letter that was signed by the candidate.

"The Electoral District Association of Jeanne-Le Ber does not support the behaviour of this candidate nor the process this candidate has undertaken," she said yesterday.

"He certainly never had the decency of consulting with us nor even informing us of what he was about to do. In fact we now await his resignation. Our EDA definitely supports our Leader Stephen Harper."And Richard Décarie, who lost his job as Mr. Harper's deputy chief of staff last Friday, said there has been no mass revolt by party members in Quebec.

Conservatives strongly endorsed Mr. Harper at its policy convention in Montreal last winter, said Mr. Décarie, adding that it would be impossible to elect a replacement before the next election which is expected in early spring.

Sources within the party had characterized Mr. Décarie's departure as being the result of philosophical differences between him and the leader. If that is the case, he appears to hold no grudges. As the man who helped organize Mr. Harper's leadership campaign in Quebec, he remains full of praise for Mr. Harper's abilities.

Mr. Décarie said he left his job in the opposition office because he had initially intended to stay just a short while to assist with developing the Quebec organization and ended up staying more than a year.

And, he said, his candidacy in Veudreuil-Soulanges, which ended at the same time as his employment, was an emergency measure he agreed to last spring when the party needed nominees to deal with a possible snap election call.

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Harper has lost two elections. I don't think he will win the next one. Canadians don't trust Harper and nor do they like his continued public friendship with Mulroney. Harper will never be Prime Minister and he should step down now for the sake of the party. I blame Mulroney for destroying the only viable opposition party, which accounts for the success of the Liberals.
 

missile

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There is no reasonable cause for them to run candidates in Quebec, as there ain't a chance in hell of one getting elected there. :evil:
 

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

If they don't run candidates in Quebec, then they are not a national party. The general feeling is that to be a legitimate government in waiting you must have candidates in all ridings, even those you have no chance of winning.
 

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

NAH NAH NAH NAAHHHHHH
NAH NAH NAH NAHHHHHHHH
NAH NAH NAH NAHHHHHHHHH


GOOOOOD BYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEE
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

I hope he sticks around for a while. He's good for showcasing the insanely flawed plans of the radical right.
 

Nascar_James

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He's not radical right Rev. The Conservative Party of Canada is equivalent to the US Democrats. In the eyes of the US, the CPC is a left of center party.

What Canada needs is a real Conservative based party. "The Canadian Republican". The name does sound good.
 

Reverend Blair

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He's not radical right Rev. The Conservative Party of Canada is equivalent to the US Democrats. In the eyes of the US, the CPC is a left of center party.

What Canada needs is a real Conservative based party. "The Canadian Republican". The name does sound good.

You obviously haven't been following Canadian politics much, Nascar Nero. What you say was true of the Progressive Conservatives under Clark, although under Mulroney they were to the right of most Democrats.

The Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are far to the right of the Democrats though. Stephen Harper's chief advisor is a radical right Republican. Most of the party stands to the right of even moderate Republicans. The Conservatives even send their candidates to school in the US to learn how to be Republicans. The radical Christian right has a lot of influence withing the Conservatives, just as they do in the Republican Party.

In short, the CPC is just like the Republican Party of George Bush. Their policies are just as bad, they are just as narrow-minded and hateful. The big difference is they are finally becoming to realise that their policies are completely unpalatable to most Canadians, so they are trying to hide their agenda as much as possible.
 

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At little off topic here, but I thought you might find it interesting Rev, that my co-worker, the rabid CPC supporter, has shown me his text books for his political studies courses at the U of M...

Both books were co-written by Tom Flanagan...now ain't that a kick in the nuts... 8O
 

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

To add to what the Rev. said. The CPC apsires to be a neoconservative republican light party, but unfortunately for them, the majority of the Canadian public does not share their aspirations or vision for Canada.
 

Nascar_James

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Reverend Blair said:
He's not radical right Rev. The Conservative Party of Canada is equivalent to the US Democrats. In the eyes of the US, the CPC is a left of center party.

What Canada needs is a real Conservative based party. "The Canadian Republican". The name does sound good.

You obviously haven't been following Canadian politics much, Nascar Nero. What you say was true of the Progressive Conservatives under Clark, although under Mulroney they were to the right of most Democrats.

The Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are far to the right of the Democrats though. Stephen Harper's chief advisor is a radical right Republican. Most of the party stands to the right of even moderate Republicans. The Conservatives even send their candidates to school in the US to learn how to be Republicans. The radical Christian right has a lot of influence withing the Conservatives, just as they do in the Republican Party.

In short, the CPC is just like the Republican Party of George Bush. Their policies are just as bad, they are just as narrow-minded and hateful. The big difference is they are finally becoming to realise that their policies are completely unpalatable to most Canadians, so they are trying to hide their agenda as much as possible.


The Republican party in the US is definitely more to the right than the Conservative party in Canada. As a result, the Conservative party in Canada is more in line with the Democrats. So which party here in the US would reflect the Liberal party in Canada? I guess the closest would be the Green party....?!?!

Compare Clinton's old party with Harper's party and you will see a lot of similarities. Clinton supported the death penalty, so does Harper. Clinton also was a supporter of low taxes as is Harper. In addition, fiscal responsibility, small government, keeping the government out of people's private business, traditional family values, and a sense of basic morality were all supported by both Clinton and Harper.

Also, Harper is against gay marriage, as was president Clinton. In 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allowed states to ignore same-sex unions licensed elsewhere.

So with all the similarities between the Democrats in the US and the Conservatives in Canada, it's clear that Canada's Conservative party reflects the US liberal viewpoint.
 

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Funny innit?? the mess the so called conservatives down in your country have made, and now your telling us we should do the same. Hello!!! this is not the land of sheep.
 

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

Give it up, James. That is simply not the case. If it were, the CPC would be sending their candidates to Democrat training school instead of Republican training school.

I realise that you feel a need to try to get Harper elected so that Canada can become as fecked up as the US is, but it isn't going to happen.

The Conservatives are anti-abortion, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives are pro-war, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives have no respect for the separation of church and state, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives are against immigration and minority rights, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives put the interests of large corporations ahead of what is best for working people, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives are anti-environment, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives hate gays and lesbians, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives are anti-science, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives prefer scandal-mongering to policy making, just like the Republicans.

The Conservatives hate sex, just like the Republicans.

You can keep on trying to lie to us, James. We know better though. Keep your crap down there in Jesusland.
 

Nascar_James

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Re: RE: Tories Split Over Har

Reverend Blair said:
The Conservatives are anti-abortion, just like the Republicans.

Not so Rev. Harper has not taken a position on Abortion. That is his downfalling. A real Conservative leader will stand true to his convictions. No flip-flopping allowed.
 

Cosmo

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Nascar_James said:
He's not radical right Rev. The Conservative Party of Canada is equivalent to the US Democrats. In the eyes of the US, the CPC is a left of center party.

What Canada needs is a real Conservative based party. "The Canadian Republican". The name does sound good.

I hope you were saying that with a large dose of sarcasm ... so hard to tell online. Harper not radical right? Then I ain't a dyke.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Tories Split Over Har

Harper and his minions tried to lie to the Canadian people by saying that the party didn't take a position on abortion, but leaving the backdoor open for a private members bill to be introduced.

Harper has refused to take a public stance, yet he has shown up at anti-choice rallies, including one outside the House of Commons after he had sabotaged Parliament to give himself the rest of the day off.
 

Vitamin C

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Nascar_James said:
He's not radical right Rev. The Conservative Party of Canada is equivalent to the US Democrats. In the eyes of the US, the CPC is a left of center party.

What Canada needs is a real Conservative based party. "The Canadian Republican". The name does sound good.

If the Conservative Party = the US Democrats, it is because the democrats are toooooo right wing....

All Canadians are more left than all americans....Right-wing Canadians are left of Right-wing Americans....and Left-wing Canadians are Left of Left-wing Canadians....

Stephen Harper is bad....but you don't hear him talking about setting up detention camps, and throwing away freedom, and the consitution, and the Charter of Rights....and.....er....damn nevermind.....forget everything I just said....


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