Tories dismiss Afghan torture allegations despite no investigation

[BitWhys]

Besides, what exactly does any of that have to do with Harper's CONs insisting nothing happened when they don't even know where all the prisoners are?

 

[wallyj]

The agreement to turn over the prisoners to Afghanistan was signed Dec.2005 by the liberals. They had been told beforehand that the Afghans were prone to torture. The libs went for the deal anyways because up until then the Americans were handling the detainees and we all know how bad the Americans can be.This little ploy by the libs may just blow up in thier face.Also,the prof. from the U of Ottawa,who started this , is a close friend of Ignatieff. Now who is to blame?

 

[BitWhys]

The agreement to turn over the prisoners to Afghanistan was signed Dec.2005 by the liberals....

not.

The agreement was signed by Hillier. The Liberals were no longer in power. By the time government was formed again all they could do about it was get mocked for pointing out the agreement's shortcomings during question period.

 

[wallyj]

The agreement was not made in one day. It had been discussed for months leading up to the December signing, The libs were the gov't in Dec. 2005 and are responsible for this deal.When an election is called ,parliament is dissolved but the gov't stays in power until the election results are tabulated.

 

[BitWhys]

The deal was arranged by DND officials, not elected representitives. As much as Harper's defenders would like to believe otherwise the Liberals were in NO position to order revisions. More to the point, at no time was the arrangement Hillier made presented by the Liberals as a summary resolution to the issue. It was only the Conservatives that have ever done that.

 

[wallyj]

So the minister of defence is only responsible when it is a conservative. The libs put this deal together because they would do anything to slap the United States in the face. If the libs retained power we would have never heard anything about the whole sordid affair. The media would have kept quiet because Iggy's friend at the U of Ottawa and axworthy's friend at the UBC would have been silent. This whole mess cannot be laid on the conservatives,the libs should stand up and take some blame.But standing up requires a backbone,sorely lacking in the liberal caucus.

 

[BitWhys]

So the minister of defence is only responsible when it is a conservative...

You don't get it. December 18th 2005 there WAS no Minister of Defence. Privy Council was suspended.

afa Iggy goes, here's what he had to say on the matter, (April 10, 2006) AFTER O'Connor had made it clear and specific that he had no intention of redrafting the agreement when asked about it.

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Like my colleague, I would fully support having the Canadian government take responsibility for visiting Afghan jails and prisons to make sure that detainees transferred by Canadian soldiers are being well treated. This is the responsibility of the ICRC, but I think that as Canadians, we have a moral responsibility to ensure that, if we transfer a detainee to an Afghan prison, our allies will respect that person's rights.