Tories and Quebec Sovereignty

[FiveParadox]

the caracal kid, at this point I am not arguing either in favour of or opposition to the Queen of Canada. I am informing the forum of how references to the Queen are interpreted in our legislative process. Whether or not you agree with the retention of Her Majesty as our Head of State, the fact remains that if you drafted a piece of legislation regarding money without any reference to the Queen, it would make no legal sense in Canada.

 

[FiveParadox]

With all due respect, Numure, you are incorrect.

Bills entitled An Act to grant Her Majesty certain sums of money grant the Government of Canada (or the Provinces) the right to hold their revenue and spend it on the public service; no funds are sent to Her Majesty Elizabeth II whatsoever.

The Royal Family is sustained by returns from the Civil List, which are certain funds granted to her and her family by the Parliament of the United Kingdom — no funds are granted by the Parliament of Canada to the Queen.

:!: (Correction) Corrected a typo.

 

[McDonald]

At one time I considered myself a monarchist. As an anglophone of mostly British heritage (English, Scottish etc..), I identified strongly with the age-old institution of the monarchy. But over time I have come to reject the concept of royalty unilaterally. What makes Her Majesty so qualified to be the (even the symbolic) Head of so many of the world's nations? Is she not a symbol of imperialism, colonialism, capitalism, and classism, even racism (remember what the Brits once thought of the Irish)? Why is she noble? How is she and her family above the rest of us?

I'm not saying we should necessarily get rid of the monarchy... I mean, as long as we don't have to pay for a head of state then why do so? All I am saying is that we should look upon the throne in the proper context... it's a historical relic with a novelty role in our country today. It represents things that we no longer hold in high regard as a society, but nevertheless it is there as a reminder of our history.

Government is a necessary evil, in my opinion. I don't like the fact that we need one, but we do. So as long as we have one, I think the type of government we have is the best one there is. Overall, I believe it's a better system than that of the US. The Queen is a marked difference between us neighbours, and between our styles of government. She's not harming anyone just by being there, powerless and ineffectual, so let her stay. We don't have to taker her so seriously though... People in the UK don't even do that.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Tories and Quebec Sovereignty

The Native claims, are just that... Claims. They won't get their land without the consent of the Québec Government. Even if the Cree opted out, they only have spots of land here and there. Only large are of land that is in Native hands in Nunavut.

Go look it up on the Canadian Government websites, theirs maps of native owned land in Québec. Only the Inuits own a region, and that region is endless tundra. .

Getting away from the Queen for a minute.

Numere, don't you see the hypocrisy in crying out that Quebec has all the right to become her own nation, and should not recognize the authority of Canada, blah blah blah..

But you still believe that the Natives have little right to the land, and "won't get it without the consent of the Quebec Government"?

Make no mistake, if Quebec is allowed to vote to leave Canada, the Natives better be allowed to vote on whether they and their land claims go or stay... or 'Nouveau Quebec' is going to have a heap of troubles.

 

[Jersay]

Absolutely right Doryman.

If the seperatists have a claim, than the Native should have a claim just as well.

 

[Colin]

RE: Tories and Quebec Sov

It would be interesting to see how many people want Soverienty Association rather then seperation.

 

[Numure]

Re: RE: Tories and Quebec Sovereignty

Getting away from the Queen for a minute.

Numere, don't you see the hypocrisy in crying out that Quebec has all the right to become her own nation, and should not recognize the authority of Canada, blah blah blah..

But you still believe that the Natives have little right to the land, and "won't get it without the consent of the Quebec Government"?

Make no mistake, if Quebec is allowed to vote to leave Canada, the Natives better be allowed to vote on whether they and their land claims go or stay... or 'Nouveau Quebec' is going to have a heap of troubles.

They only have their reserves, nothing else. Just like Québec only has its territory, thats it. Or else Québec could go around claiming Labrador and Ontario.

What I find ridiculous is all of you thinking the Natives can claim what ever they want. If they want out, sure. But they are going out with the land they have. And thats miniscule. Just like Québec is going out with the land it has.

 

[Machjo]

In as much as I sympathise with the sovereignist cause (heck, I'm even sitting on the fence on this one myself) I have to say that the natives claiming more land is not the same as Quebec claiming Ontario. The difference is that Quebec cannot attach the prefix "re-" in front of the verb "to claim", but the natives can. They're just reclaiming land which has always rightfully been theirs, morally. Before Anflish Canadians jump on this one though, that applies to them too. Effectively both English and French are nothing more than foreign imports, if we should look at it from a historical perspective. So that means that, except for the indigenous peoples of Canada, the rest of us are what Pariseau so poetically referred to as the 'vote ethnique'.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Tories and Quebec Sovereignty

In as much as I sympathise with the sovereignist cause (heck, I'm even sitting on the fence on this one myself) I have to say that the natives claiming more land is not the same as Quebec claiming Ontario. The difference is that Quebec cannot attach the prefix "re-" in front of the verb "to claim", but the natives can. They're just reclaiming land which has always rightfully been theirs, morally. Before Anflish Canadians jump on this one though, that applies to them too. Effectively both English and French are nothing more than foreign imports, if we should look at it from a historical perspective. So that means that, except for the indigenous peoples of Canada, the rest of us are what Pariseau so poetically referred to as the 'vote ethnique'.

:wink: Except Newfoundland of course. But that's a long story.

But it just seems arrogant to me for quebecers to claim that all the Natives own are their reserves, and that even since they used to own everything else, they can't claim it.

Funny, I've never met a Quebecer who didn't bring up how they used to own labrador.They still claim it, though.

In any case, should Quebec seperate, Canada will most likely make a very Generous deal for Natives if they claim large tracts of traditional land and move back to Canada with it. These natives will have the full support of the Canadian government, and probably of every Native American lobby group in North America. That's a lot of pressure to be put on a shaky, fledgling country.

 

[aeon]

liguistic, eh?

Let us preserve our language, nos fierons de parler francais.

Instead....


Nous sommes fiere de parler francais.

:wink:

 

[aeon]

Numere is correct however, Allophone makes up 10% while it ranges from 6-10% who speak English as there first language.

I think only montreal, has 50% of anglo-phones and 50% francophones, the rest of quebec is mostly french, if i am not mistaken. No wonder why montreal is such a unique and great city.

 

[Graeme]

MMmmm Montreal Smoked Meat

I like Montreal , I think if qubec seperated, montreal would stay, it would just become part of ontario.
Then the roads might get fixed!!! and some bloody visible traffic lights would be put up.

yeah I like Montreal go there once or twice a year.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

Numere is correct however, Allophone makes up 10% while it ranges from 6-10% who speak English as there first language.

I think only montreal, has 50% of anglo-phones and 50% francophones, the rest of quebec is mostly french, if i am not mistaken. No wonder why montreal is such a unique and great city.

Of course you are mistaken. Don't look what people in party quebecois say, look at statistics.