This is what EU ‘democracy’ looks like

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Happens all the time , in most instances floor crossers do not win re-election.

But until the following election, their votes follws them when they cross the floor: they don't stay with the party. So clearly we vote for the candidate weven if we believe we're voting for the party.
 

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'In Britain we have a parliamentary system, where we elect a political party...'
You mean you vote according to a party list? In Canada, we vote for the local candidate who may or may not be a member of a political party.

In Britain we vote for the person we would like to be our representative in Parliament.
 

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He thinks we should do things like they do in Singapore , for some reason .

Er... Putting aside the fact that Canadians and Singaporeans (And Britons) alike vote for the local candidate and not the local party, both Canada (at least Federally) and Singapore still have political parties. A better example would be Nunavut and some Canadian municipalities though some Canadian municipalities do have political parties too.
 

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So when your local candidate wins an election, if he leaves his party, he must relinquish his seat and the party will then appoint another MP in his place?

Well you usually hold a by-election, unless you're the undemocratic Remainers of Change UK who switched allegiances to the aforementioned party but refused to hold by-elections.
 

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Well you usually hold a by-election, unless you're the undemocratic Remainers of Change UK who switched allegiances to the aforementioned party but refused to hold by-elections.

Really? In Canada, an MP can absolutely leave his party and keep his seat until the next election. His seat is not tied to any party.
 

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Who voted for Theresa May to be PM of Britain, again?

If you want me to explain again, for at least the second time, how parliamentary democracy works and how it differs from the non-democracy of the EU, maybe you should stop posting in International Politics. It's easily above your IQ level.

Stick to reading Mog In The Dark, or something.
 

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If you want me to explain again, for at least the second time, how parliamentary democracy works and how it differs from the non-democracy of the EU, maybe you should stop posting in International Politics. It's easily above your IQ level.
Stick to reading Mog In The Dark, or something.
So,


...no one, really ....


...the Faeries at the bottom of the garden ...
 

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So,
...no one, really ....
...the Faeries at the bottom of the garden ...

I think the fairies can get a better grasp of the sheer anti-democratic nature of these three EU appointees and the democratic nature of the British system than you and your friend: Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men.

You even completely ignore the glaringly obvious fact that if the EU system was democratic and resembles the British Westminster system the three appointees would be Brexit Party MEPs. But you don't notice that because you just aren't bright enough.
 

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So when your local candidate wins an election, if he leaves his party, he must relinquish his seat and the party will then appoint another MP in his place?
Why do candidates have their party affiliation on the ballot if we are not voting for the party . Like Isay all you state is fact but is not how the real world works .
 

White_Unifier

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Why do candidates have their party affiliation on the ballot if we are not voting for the party . Like Isay all you state is fact but is not how the real world works .

Having a party name on the ballot when the candidate has no obligation to vote with the party nor even to remain a member of the party once elected is misleading, don't you think? In my option, party names should be removed from the ballot for that reason alone.
 

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Watch: Andrew Neil tears into the next EU leaders

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Andrew Neil

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The Spectator

White smoke emerged from the European Council in Brussels on Tuesday, as EU heads of state revealed their recommendations for the next European commission president, head of the ECB, president of the European council, and high representative for foreign affairs.

The candidates, who included the German defence minister Ursula von der Leyen and IMF head Christine Lagarde, were selected behind closed doors after three days of intense negotiations, and will now need to be confirmed by the European Parliament.

But if you were hoping that the EU had selected highly-competent former politicians and officials to lead the supranational body responsible for policies that affect millions, you would once again have been disappointed. And no one outlined these new leaders’ failings better than Andrew Neil on the BBC’s This Week, who asked how Europe could be in safe hands when they had selected:

‘a failed German defence minister, a failed Belgian prime minister, a former finance minister found guilty of negligence in a multi-million pound Euro scandal, and a Spanish politician who’s been a cheerleader for repression in Catalonia.’

Watch here:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/watch-andrew-neil-tears-into-the-next-eu-leaders/
 

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The Brexit Party's Anne Widdecombe's explosive rant in the EU Parliament:
 

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Having a party name on the ballot when the candidate has no obligation to vote with the party nor even to remain a member of the party once elected is misleading, don't you think? In my option, party names should be removed from the ballot for that reason alone.
Yes but your opinion and 2 bucks will get you a coffee at McDonalds . The party leader must sign nomination papers , a candidate must follow the party line if they wish their nomination papers signed . Sure they are free to cross the floor once elected , however they need two terms to qualify for pension benefits . Politicians like everyone else are concerned with their own livelihood first and foremost .