This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democracy.

Jay

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

I think not said:
The greatest threat to western democracy is darkbeaver and his ilk. :D


That's right!
 

Sublime

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

Wealthy

Rich
Upper Middle Class
Middle Class
Lower Middle Class
Poor

I'm talking about the Wealthy.
 

Sassylassie

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I'm upper middle class how am I a threat? I work hard, pay 53% income tax, work my arse off, haven't been able to find a Doctor in five years ego denied medical access, I have no kids but I have to pay School Tax, I live in a town but I have to pay Federal Road taxes. Please enlighten me how do I threaten society.
 

Finder

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The class structure leaks into itself these days. you can't use the terms in Western culture which Marx once used as the working class truly is the new middle class in most reguards. The lower classes are those in the service indestry these days, but even so this isn't always true.

The Globalization of the worlds markets have moved the true under classes to plasses like China, Africa and South East Asia were workers are paid next to nothing, a few cents on a product which sells for 20-200 dollars in north america. The profiteering in globalization today is the cause for the extreme wealth of the west and the extreme poor of the south east. It sickens me to see these workers work 9-16 hour days for Nike or a supplier for wal-mart and be paid a few dollars while there actual work had produced hundreds in profits.

So yeah being poor in Canada or the USA may suck but it isn't half as bad as the vast magority of the working class which is sweeting and dieing to make us cheap things so we can buy our crap at wal-mart for insanely cheap prices.

I guess all we have learned in the west is.... Out of sight out of mind! If we arn't the one's being exploted it is ok not to care as long as we have our house, our SUV's and our 42k's!!!

grrrrrrrrr

I'm not a Left wing extremist, and I believe in free trade, but faire trade were workers get at least a fare share of the profits!!! Not pennies!!! Not at a leave where they never see there loved ones, they don't get to see there kids grow they don't get health care or anything else!!! This sickens me so much.
 

Sassylassie

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I don't shop at Walmart! I buy at locally owned stores. I walk and rarely drive to protect the environment. I compost, recycle, shop at second hand stores. Stop blaming the middle class for the worlds ilks. It's not a valid argument, start complaining about the Oil Industry that care about no one-nothing except the almighty dollar.
 

Sassylassie

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Yes, I agree with what Toro wrote.
 

Sassylassie

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Thank you Toro, Brilliant is what I am use to being called.
 

Said1

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

Finder said:
The Globalization of the worlds markets have moved the true under classes to plasses like China, Africa and South East Asia were workers are paid next to nothing, a few cents on a product which sells for 20-200 dollars in north america. The profiteering in globalization today is the cause for the extreme wealth of the west and the extreme poor of the south east. It sickens me to see these workers work 9-16 hour days for Nike or a supplier for wal-mart and be paid a few dollars while there actual work had produced hundreds in profits.

China is an interesting study since it has a growing middle class, which could cause serious problems in China. Some feel China is doomed given that some of the key components within successful democracies are a large middle class that is fairly educated and free(er) markets. This could mean possible reformation or stricter government domination.

The other nations you mentioned aren't so lucky economically and their literacy rates run as low as 40% in some cases. A poor, barely educated populace will always equate exploitation of the worst kind, by both their own leaders and multinationals. Education is key.
 

Sublime

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

For those enlightened individuals on this board, I would hope that you agree with me when I say.
"money isn't worth the paper it's printed on"
 

jimmoyer

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RE: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

It's not the paper. It's not the money. It's the
agreed upon perceived value in exchange for product
or services rendered.

It's a nice tool.

I don't want to have to take a pig to market.
 

Sublime

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

Why would you need a market if there is no money?

Why not gow your own food and make your own goods?
 

I think not

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democracy

 

Jay

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Re: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

I think not said:
This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democracy


Exactly.
 

Jay

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Sublime said:
For those enlightened individuals on this board, I would hope that you agree with me when I say.
"money isn't worth the paper it's printed on"

Most of the money in existence isn't printed.
 

jimmoyer

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RE: This is the Greatest Threat to Western Capitalist Democr

Why would you need a market if there is no money?
Why not gow your own food and make your own goods?
-----------------Sublime------------------------------------

It's called Division of Labor.

In the aggregate society is much more productive
and inventive.

We don't need Albert Einstein to
divert all his resources to protecting his carrot
garden from B'rer Rabbit.

We don't want Van Gogh to have missed the idle
moment on ear surgery.

We don't want Thomas Edison to take time out
to walk his pigs to market in exchange for another
necessary service.

Division of Labor.

It's what's for Civilization evolution.