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[Torch light]

You did not deal with Quran (2:22 "and the men are a degree above them [women]" and just ignored it because you could not provide a decent apologetics for it.


Thanks for showing all here your hypocrisy.


You do my work of discrediting your religion for me.


Keep up the good hypocritical work.


Regards
DL

The aya in its entirety, has been explained with its great implications, but you disregard this, and cling to this part of the aya, which implies the obedience of the wife to her husband .. because every team has a leader, and the leader of the family is the father .. so why do you object?

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. - Christ on False Prophets - Matt:7 15-20.

What do you mean? the false prophet is Mohammed? No, because Prophet Mohammed - salam to him - confirmed the other prophets and invited to the worship of God alone as One God without associate, son, daughter or parents .. God is the Eternal.

The false prophets are the priests of the idols, like the prophets of the idol Baal or Baalim, the priests of which were slain by Prophet Elia .. these were called the prophets of the idol Baal or Baalim... they invited people to the polytheism or idolatry.

We, Muslims, believe in all the prophets of God like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elia, Isaiah and Jesus Christ as an honored prophet of God, and the son of man, but not the son of God or God Himself .. glory be to God Almighty the Creator, the One without associate.

In addition, the fruits of the tree: do you mean Muslims are bad because they followed the false prophet Mohammed!!?

So are Muslims the bad guys because they follow Mohammed?
Or are Christians the bad because they follow Jesus?
Or are Jews the bad because they follow Moses?

 

[Torch light]

The answer: Almost the majority of people belonging to these 3 categories are bad and are wrong-doers .. but not because they follow either of these prophets .. on the contrary they are bad because they do not follow their teachings and do not follow God's commandments.

So if one lies and says: Mohammed invited people to evil! The answer: you are only a bigot, because Mohammed invited people to every virtue and the best moral manners.

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#The_Admonition_in_the_Quran

Quran 17: 22-39, which mean:
([O man] set not up with God another god, or you will [in the Next Life] stay condemned [among souls] and forsaken [by devils.]
[O Mohammed] your Lord decrees, that you [people] must worship none save Him [alone],

and [He decrees too that you must show] kindness to parents:
As long as one or both of them live with you [in your house], you should never say to them [even] "Fie", nor shall you shout at them; but always address them with kindly speech.
And humble yourself before them with submission, out of mercy to them [both],
and say: "My Lord, bestow on them Your mercy, even as did they raise me up when I was little."

Your Lord knows best what [you hide] within yourselves; if you are righteous, then [surely] He is Ever Forgiving for those who always revert.

And render to the [poor among] kindred their due rights,
as [also] to the needy,
and to the wayfarer; but squander not [your wealth] in the manner of a spendthrift [in the ground.]
Surely, spendthrifts are brothers of devils, and the Devil was ungrateful to his Lord.

And if you turn away from them, seeking after the mercy that you hope of your Lord, then speak to them some reasonable words.

And let not your hand be bound to your neck [like the stingy] nor open it so widely [like the spendthrift], lest you come to be blamed and denuded [of the clothes.]

Your Lord [O Mohammed] gives abundant provision to those among His servants whom He will, or He doles it out.
Surely, He is All-Aware and All-Seeing about His servants.

And slay not your children for fear of poverty. It is We Who provide for them and for you.
Surely, the slaying of them is a grievous sin.

And approach not [women to commit] adultery; surely it is ever an indecency, and evil as a way.

And kill not the soul which God has forbidden save by a right [cause].
Whoso is slain wrongfully [and undeservedly], We have given power to his heir [on the murderer by means of retaliation], but let the [heir] not commit excess in slaying; surely, he will be helped to overcome [his opponent, so let him not hasten and then he may kill one who is not the murderer.]

Approach not the wealth of the orphan, save in that which is best, till he reaches puberty.

And fulfill the covenant [if you make any covenant]; surely the covenant is ever inquired of [the man who agrees to it.]

Give full measure when you measure out [to people], and weigh [when you weigh to them] with the standard weight; that [full measure and just weighing without reduction] is better [for you before people] and fairer in practice.

And do not go after the [flaws of your Muslim brother] about which you [man] have no knowledge; for the hearing, the sight and the [spiritual] heart, of all these it shall be inquired.

And walk not upon the earth exultantly; certainly you [man] will never tear the earth open, nor attain the mountains in height.

All this [which We forbid you to do] is ever evil and abhorred in the sight of your Lord.
That is [some] of the wisdom your Lord has revealed to you [O Mohammed]; set not up another god with God, or you will be cast into Hell, dispraised and driven away [by the angels.])

 

[French Patriot]

The aya in its entirety, has been explained with its great implications, but you disregard this, and cling to this part of the aya, which implies the obedience of the wife to her husband .. because every team has a leader, and the leader of the family is the father .. so why do you object?

That quote did not speak of leadership or follower. It speak of degree of worth.


You also ignore that In Mohamed's household, he kowtowed to his wife.


I see that as hypocritical on your part.


Regards
DL

 

[coldstream]

What do you mean? the false prophet is Mohammed? No, because Prophet Mohammed - salam to him - confirmed the other prophets and invited to the worship of God alone as One God without associate, son, daughter or parents .. God is the Eternal.

The false prophets are the priests of the idols, like the prophets of the idol Baal or Baalim, the priests of which were slain by Prophet Elia .. these were called the prophets of the idol Baal or Baalim... they invited people to the polytheism or idolatry.

We, Muslims, believe in all the prophets of God like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elia, Isaiah and Jesus Christ as an honored prophet of God, and the son of man, but not the son of God or God Himself .. glory be to God Almighty the Creator, the One without associate.

In addition, the fruits of the tree: do you mean Muslims are bad because they followed the false prophet Mohammed!!?

So are Muslims the bad guys because they follow Mohammed?
Or are Christians the bad because they follow Jesus?
Or are Jews the bad because they follow Moses?

Christ is not a prophet in the Christian Faith. He is one part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit; One in All, All in One). The Koran is full of mistakes as compared to the original Torah (and Christian scripture).

Islam's history and character is clear; it expands by conquest not conversion. It punishes apostates with death. The Islamic world by its nature, its Sharia, is violent, intolerant, mercantile, moribund (hence its 'fruits').

Islam believes Mohammed is not 'A' but 'THE' final prophet. There is no way that Islam can be reconciled to Christianity. They are contradictory to the very core of their concepts of God; God's relationship to his Creation; man's responsibility, freedom and potential with respect to God.

Islam and Christianity are the only religions with prophetic global messianic missions. And in the final measure of things.. only one will prevail.

 

[Torch light]

That quote did not speak of leadership or follower. It speak of degree of worth.

You say it is degree of worth: why do you assert this, and you even do not know Arabic .. it indicates you are stubborn disbeliever, while in fact it is the degree of obedience: that the wife should obey her husband .. unless he orders her with disobedience to God.

Therefore, Muslims and non-Muslims now oppose the Quran interpretation: they are disbelievers about the Mahdi interpretation.

Because Prophet Mohammed had been denied concerning his revelation, and the Mahdi will be denied concerning his explanation or interpretation.

In other words, Prophet Mohammed brought the Quran from God, and the idolaters denied that it was revelation from God .. while the Mahdi interpretation will be denied in the same way .. claiming that he studied then he gave his personal interpretation; i.e. that his interpretation is not from God.

Christ is not a prophet in the Christian Faith. He is one part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit; One in All, All in One).

This is not completely correct; I have a Christian book with three parts: Jesus as a prophet, Jesus as son of God, Jesus as God ... according to their claim .. of which I quit myself; Glory be to God Almighty the One with no son or parents.

So you believe in the Trinity, like many other Christians, while it is wrong, and a contradiction to the First Commandment which is the most important of all the commandments. And it is the enthusiasm .. and a violation and a weird thing among all the messages of all the past and later prophets of God.

The Koran is full of mistakes as compared to the original Torah (and Christian scripture).

On the contrary, the Quran is infallible, while the present Bible is full of mistakes and alterations.

See the books lost from the original Bible .. which the Bible itself affirms:

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#lost_book_of_bible

And here it is:
"[1- Book of the Law of the Kingdom]

It is written in the Old Testament (the Arabic version, published by the Jesuitical Missionaries at 1939, at Beirut), the First Book of Kings (1 Samuel), chapter 10:

“25- And Samuel told the people the law of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it before the Lord: and Samuel sent away all the people, everyone to his own house.”

Then it is written in the explanation of the Arabic Translator in the endnotes of the book: “This book had been lost by time, just as had been many other books.”

[2- Book of the Just]
It is also mentioned in the Second Book of Kings (2 Samuel), chapter 1: 17-18

“17-And David made the kind of lamentation over Saul, and over Jonathan his son.

18-(Also he commanded that they should teach the children of Juda the canticle of the bow, as it is written in the Book of the Just [Jasher].)”

And it is mentioned in the notes of the Arabic Translator:

“This book is one of the books that had been lost by time, which is also mentioned in the Book of Joshua, chapter 10: 13 “And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the Book of the Just [Jasher]?”

[3- Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon]

Also, it is written in the Third Book of Kings (1Kings), chapter 11:

“41- And the rest of the words of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom: behold, they are written in the Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon.”

Then it is mentioned in the notes of the English version: “The Book of the Words. This book is lost, with divers others mentioned in the holy writ.”

 

[Johnnny]

After seeing Torch Lights post I can see why Muslims target women in their shootings.

 

[French Patriot]

You say it is degree of worth: why do you assert this, and you even do not know Arabic .. it indicates you are stubborn disbeliever, while in fact it is the degree of obedience: that the wife should obey her husband .. unless he orders her with disobedience to God.

Therefore, Muslims and non-Muslims now oppose the Quran interpretation: they are disbelievers about the Mahdi interpretation.

Because Prophet Mohammed had been denied concerning his revelation, and the Mahdi will be denied concerning his explanation or interpretation.

In other words, Prophet Mohammed brought the Quran from God, and the idolaters denied that it was revelation from God .. while the Mahdi interpretation will be denied in the same way .. claiming that he studied then he gave his personal interpretation; i.e. that his interpretation is not from God.



This is not completely correct; I have a Christian book with three parts: Jesus as a prophet, Jesus as son of God, Jesus as God ... according to their claim .. of which I quit myself; Glory be to God Almighty the One with no son or parents.

So you believe in the Trinity, like many other Christians, while it is wrong, and a contradiction to the First Commandment which is the most important of all the commandments. And it is the enthusiasm .. and a violation and a weird thing among all the messages of all the past and later prophets of God.



On the contrary, the Quran is infallible, while the present Bible is full of mistakes and alterations.

See the books lost from the original Bible .. which the Bible itself affirms:

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#lost_book_of_bible

And here it is:
"[1- Book of the Law of the Kingdom]

It is written in the Old Testament (the Arabic version, published by the Jesuitical Missionaries at 1939, at Beirut), the First Book of Kings (1 Samuel), chapter 10:

“25- And Samuel told the people the law of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it before the Lord: and Samuel sent away all the people, everyone to his own house.”

Then it is written in the explanation of the Arabic Translator in the endnotes of the book: “This book had been lost by time, just as had been many other books.”

[2- Book of the Just]
It is also mentioned in the Second Book of Kings (2 Samuel), chapter 1: 17-18

“17-And David made the kind of lamentation over Saul, and over Jonathan his son.

18-(Also he commanded that they should teach the children of Juda the canticle of the bow, as it is written in the Book of the Just [Jasher].)”

And it is mentioned in the notes of the Arabic Translator:

“This book is one of the books that had been lost by time, which is also mentioned in the Book of Joshua, chapter 10: 13 “And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the Book of the Just [Jasher]?”

[3- Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon]

Also, it is written in the Third Book of Kings (1Kings), chapter 11:

“41- And the rest of the words of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom: behold, they are written in the Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon.”

Then it is mentioned in the notes of the English version: “The Book of the Words. This book is lost, with divers others mentioned in the holy writ.”

TLDR and the quote I used was English.


The quantity of your garbage hid any quality it might have had and the fact that Islam does not grant equality to all souls and people shows how morally corrupt it is.


You also ignored that Mohammad was not man enough to lord it over his wife who ordered him around.


Thanks for the copy paste. Perhaps someone else will bother reading your garbage. Bulship does not baffle those with brains.


Regards
DL

 

[coldstream]

This is not completely correct; I have a Christian book with three parts: Jesus as a prophet, Jesus as son of God, Jesus as God ... according to their claim .. of which I quit myself; Glory be to God Almighty the One with no son or parents.

So you believe in the Trinity, like many other Christians, while it is wrong, and a contradiction to the First Commandment which is the most important of all the commandments. And it is the enthusiasm .. and a violation and a weird thing among all the messages of all the past and later prophets of God.

On the contrary, the Quran is infallible, while the present Bible is full of mistakes and alterations.

See the books lost from the original Bible .. which the Bible itself affirms:

The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#lost_book_of_bible

And here it is:
"[1- Book of the Law of the Kingdom]

It is written in the Old Testament (the Arabic version, published by the Jesuitical Missionaries at 1939, at Beirut), the First Book of Kings (1 Samuel), chapter 10:

“25- And Samuel told the people the law of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it before the Lord: and Samuel sent away all the people, everyone to his own house.”

Then it is written in the explanation of the Arabic Translator in the endnotes of the book: “This book had been lost by time, just as had been many other books.”

[2- Book of the Just]
It is also mentioned in the Second Book of Kings (2 Samuel), chapter 1: 17-18

“17-And David made the kind of lamentation over Saul, and over Jonathan his son.

18-(Also he commanded that they should teach the children of Juda the canticle of the bow, as it is written in the Book of the Just [Jasher].)”

And it is mentioned in the notes of the Arabic Translator:

“This book is one of the books that had been lost by time, which is also mentioned in the Book of Joshua, chapter 10: 13 “And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the Book of the Just [Jasher]?”

[3- Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon]

Also, it is written in the Third Book of Kings (1Kings), chapter 11:

“41- And the rest of the words of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom: behold, they are written in the Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon.”

Then it is mentioned in the notes of the English version: “The Book of the Words. This book is lost, with divers others mentioned in the holy writ.”

Islam will always be a religion of subjugation and cruelty. It's binding force is that of fear. It's own demise is written in its contradictions.

At best, it is the ravings of a mad man with religious mania in some cave in the 7th Century Arabia. At worst it is a cunning conspiracy of the Devil to dethrone the True God and set up his own Satanic throne it His place.

 

[Torch light]

Islam will always be a religion of subjugation and cruelty.
It's binding force is that of fear.
It's own demise is written in its contradictions.
At best, it is the ravings of a mad man
with religious mania
in some cave
in the 7th Century Arabia.
At worst it is a cunning conspiracy of the Devil to dethrone the True God
and set up his own Satanic throne it His place.

These words cannot be said but only by a bigot .. the bigotry does not rely on true facts... certainly none of these words is true .. with the exception of "in the 7th Century Arabia"

TLDR and the quote I used was English.


The quantity of your garbage hid any quality it might have had and the fact that Islam does not grant equality to all souls and people shows how morally corrupt it is.


You also ignored that Mohammad was not man enough to lord it over his wife who ordered him around.


Thanks for the copy paste. Perhaps someone else will bother reading your garbage. Bulship does not baffle those with brains.


Regards
DL

I will pass over your vain words, but you should explain these two sentences of yours:
"Islam does not grant equality to all souls and people shows how morally corrupt it is."
And "Mohammad was not man enough to lord it over his wife who ordered him around."
How is that without much rambling.. while the rest of your post is only the garbage.

No regards.

 

[French Patriot]

Islam will always be a religion of subjugation and cruelty. It's binding force is that of fear. It's own demise is written in its contradictions.

At best, it is the ravings of a mad man with religious mania in some cave in the 7th Century Arabia. At worst it is a cunning conspiracy of the Devil to dethrone the True God and set up his own Satanic throne it His place.

You are quite accurate I think, but who is this true God you speak of?


Regards
DL

I will pass over your vain words, but you should explain these two sentences of yours:
"Islam does not grant equality to all souls and people shows how morally corrupt it is."
And "Mohammad was not man enough to lord it over his wife who ordered him around."
How is that without much rambling.. while the rest of your post is only the garbage.

No regards.

You are better qualified, it is your religion, than I to know of the inequality of your female souls


Tell us what the male heaven is like as compared to the female heaven. I understand that sexually, men fare better than women and not knowing which of the many sects of Islam you belong to, you might have your own take on things so lets hear it?


That will be better than my giving you what I think for you to just deny.


As to Mohammad, he was a kept man who had to rely on his wife to take care of him and business because he was a degree below her. Perhaps even more than a degree.


Regards
DL