Things I don't like about Canada.

El Barto

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To all those who are pissed out by Quebec's "bitching"...

DEAL WITH IT!!! Quebec's independance movement is not about to end (independance does not necessarily equal separation) and you might as well get used to the idea that Quebecers stand up for what they want.

Quebec is not signed onto the present Constitution and this is one of Canada's great failures. If Canada is willing to accept this type of situation it must deal with its reality.

In 1995, literally half plus a couple of the population of Quebec decided it was better to stay in Canada and all Quebecers have decently respected this democratic choice despite its fragility.

The Bloc Québecois is a federal party that concerns itself primarily with matters that concern Quebec. I understand how frustrating it can be for other Canadians to see a seperatist party take hold of the House of Commons but the fact is that this party is elected democratically and in complete legality! If you've got a problem with that, do something about it! If Canadian law decided that the Bloc Québecois should not be allowed into the House of Commons you would see the seperatist movement flare up so fast you wouldn't believe it!!!
Don't forget even the dead voted to get out and it still wasn't enough. even changed the question to confuse . Brain washing kids to before they had a chance to vote. still wasn't enough. they did alot underhandedly bravo
 

El Barto

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Sassylassie, I don't want to start a bitter argument. But some things you say just convince me you don't know understand much about Quebec's independence movement. Is Quebec's independance movement a "joke" because it has a very non-violent history? Is it a "joke" because the YES side lost by 1% 11 years ago? Is it a "joke" because Quebec's not signed onto the Constitution?

Saying the independance movement is only about hippies and university students just demonstrates your ignorance on the subject. Independance movements are found everywhere even where you live. Starting with family, neigborhoods and cities going to countries like Canada, communities usually tend to work hard to maintain some form of power over the matters that concern them. Nations are just big communities with common laws and cultural heritage (although this is a lot fuzzier today...).

Whether you see us as a nation or not, we will act like a nation, in or out of Canada. You misunderestimate the intelligence of Quebecers if you believe we don't know about what kind of consequences could follow the seperation of Quebec from Canada. For a great majority of Quebecers this issue is a very serious one no one takes it litely. You may perceive us as being whiny but the rest of Canada has the responsibility to be clear as to what it expects from Quebec. If Canada believes Quebec has gone too far in its demands or actions, it must speak out. Many Canadians outside Quebec need to understand the fact that in Quebec's francophone culture, the concept of Canada is not as personal as it can be in any other part of the country. Canada is seen as an union, be it economic, social, cultural etc. They want a Canada that is a true confederation and not a federation. The powers we want we expect every province to have... As long as we feel in control of what's going on in Quebec. That's all there is to it. Right now Quebec is part of Canada and it's fine that way. But Quebec can change and so can Canada; we all change eventually and I'm very happy that where I live, there is an evolving political debate on "independance".

Quebec is not asking for a "special" status. It is asking for QUEBEC'S status plain and simple.
this sounds more level headed
 

turubawebmaster

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I also think its not fair that quebec gets more seats then the west... I certainly think they should change that cuz their population is declining... I just dont like their politics and their government.... Alberta and BC need more seats... Thats one thing I dont like about our politics plus our senate is chosen by the prime minister instead of being elected... I think thats one of my reasons for voting tories and also gst reduction.... Only problem is we're a minority government so the liberals and ndp can group up and reject anything the tories try to propose... Harper is trying to change the role of the senate but the liberals and ndp are rejecting it... Our system is kinda messed up because instead of havign only 2 sides, we have a bunch of parties and in a minority government they have a hard time getting things done... Now that explains why things never get done... The presidential system im starting to believe is no better because the americans want their troops out of Iraq and Bush is ignoring them sending more troops.... Anyway he's an ignorant bastard
 

talloola

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THE WHINING IN THIS COUNTRY

We have so much room to roam, that is wonderful, an exchange student from china remarked to me, that she couldn't stop looking at "trees" right in the city, in yards, she said she had never seen
that before, they have no room for that.

As a woman, it terrifies me to imagine myself, or my daughters, all of a sudden being dropped in
Afghanistan, and being forced to live like the women there,or in any of the middle eastern cultures.That alone stops me from ever whining.

Or, having to be a slave to the religion in those countries, and not able to make personal decisions
for myself, because the religion is the "boss". yuk

I could go on, that that is enough, my post is getting too long.
 

ottawabill

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Quebec is the squeaky wheel in Canada, they have learned that it works..and OMG it does work!!

Who ever does a province with 20% of the population get so much attention, because they are loud, because they threaten and everyone else listens.

I like Quebec, I go to Quebec I understand enough French, my children and wife speak fluent French so I am not speaking from unknowing stand.

Quebec will continue to be a thorn, continue to have referendums and continue to elect regional parties to power..why..cause it works...They scream we jump. They threaten a referendum we send money ..It's a great game and it works...

Yep they can go if they want, there's nothing in our constitution that says they can't (the U.S. has that) but the part they don't concern themselves with is new trade deals, lose of revenue, loss of transfer payments, loss of military equipment etc etc...they would be viable just not as much so as they are now....
 

El Barto

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I'm a born french canadian with a family history (mother and Father) of over 350 years.
Hearing your rants of Quebec even if some of it is off target a bit, I can't and won't deny them.
The sepratist has keeped us back economically for 20 years. Keeped us hostage with a next referendum .
Some of the arguements are that we don't need two governments. If you've seen the hair brain laws they have made. I could not bring myself to have that as the only government .
With the recent Liberal scandal ,this was more feul for referendum. But the damn seperatist don't see that those behind it were Quebecers DAMN.! I'm surprised the rest of Canada didn't just kick us out !
As a french speaking quebecer, we don't think Highly of the french from france. The'yr snobs abnoxious difficult and whiney. Hmmm must be our heratage were trying to protect. Pathetic.
In another thread I mentioned how can we soveriegn when we keep endebting ourselves. When our assets like the Quebec bridge and Chateau Frontenac belong to foriegn interset ! Somehow they are totaly blind to that. This also applies to this country we are losing it and with whats coming up we wont even have a say of how we do things. Example is that the world is looking at our water supply and are begining to voice on how we take care of it.
WE need to change the way this government is runned. Political parties stiffle democrocy. It should always be an individual vote. We waist to much money on representatives that do nothing constructive IE govener general. No part of the government should have a job for life or apointed too. Judges should be voted not appointed . Government should be accountable for they're acts IE Jean Chretein this list could be very long but I won't bore you.
Government projects that start with a price tag but doubles and triples when its done.
I'm a carpenter, If i did that i'd go to jail.
My rants are mostly political. If (god forbids) that we do seperate, I'm going to get a big gun and shoot the first scum bag that tells me that I am not a Canadian. I was born Canadian I will die as one!
I hated the Nordics but realized I really loved them when they left. To me hockey died afterwards.
One thing I was proud of is when we stood up against the Americans from going to Iraq.
Besides all this I truely love my country, love my provence, love what positive things that make us Canadian , quebecer too. We have so much to offer to the world, and we can do so much more if we got serious, not watch out for our political carreer.
 
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ottawabill

Electoral Member
May 27, 2005
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Eastern Ontario
I'm a born french canadian with a family history (mother and Father) of over 350 years.
Hearing your rants of Quebec even if some of it is off target a bit, I can't and won't deny them.
The sepratist has keeped us back economically for 20 years. Keeped us hostage with a next referendum .
Some of the arguements are that we don't need two governments. If you've seen the hair brain laws they have made. I could not bring myself to have that as the only government .
With the recent Liberal scandal ,this was more feul for referendum. But the damn seperatist don't see that those behind it were Quebecers DAMN.! I'm surprised the rest of Canada didn't just kick us out !
As a french speaking quebecer, we don't think Highly of the french from france. The'yr snobs abnoxious difficult and whiney. Hmmm must be our heratage were trying to protect. Pathetic.
In another thread I mentioned how can we soveriegn when we keep endebting ourselves. When our assets like the Quebec bridge and Chateau Frontenac belong to foriegn interset ! Somehow they are totaly blind to that. This also applies to this country we are losing it and with whats coming up we wont even have a say of how we do things. Example is that the world is looking at our water supply and are begining to voice on how we take care of it.
WE need to change the way this government is runned. Political parties stiffle democrocy. It should always be an individual vote. We waist to much money on representatives that do nothing constructive IE govener general. No part of the government should have a job for life or apointed too. Judges should be voted not appointed . Government should be accountable for they're acts IE Jean Chretein this list could be very long but I won't bore you.
Government projects that start with a price tag but doubles and triples when its done.
I'm a carpenter, If i did that i'd go to jail.
My rants are mostly political. If (god forbids) that we do seperate, I'm going to get a big gun and shoot the first scum bag that tells me that I am not a Canadian. I was born Canadian I will die as one!
I hated the Nordics but realized I really loved them when they left. To me hockey died afterwards.
One thing I was proud of is when we stood up against the Americans from going to Iraq.
Besides all this I truely love my country, love my provence, love what positive things that make us Canadian , quebecer too. We have so much to offer to the world, and we can do so much more if we got serious, not watch out for our political carreer.


clap clap clap!!!

except the stood up to the americans propaganda..... Yep was good we didn't go but we didn't stand up to then..we just decided not to go..they never tried to force us