Theresa May is deluded – a truly great deal would be the Brexit we all voted for

Hoid

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So we just drag the English and Welsh and the majority of the people of the UK as a whole through a process against their wishes instead?
what process?

Is remaining in Brexit a process to you?
 

justlooking

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Quebec could not have separated on a simple majority

you are going to have to come up with a better lie than that.

But I do find all this lying about the Brexit numbers entertaining.


The Clarity Act was passed AFTER the 1995 referendum

Lies, more lies, and yet more lies from you.

All this, from someone who has no skin in the game. :lol:
 

Hoid

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Quebec could not have separated on a simple majority - which is the general opinion that the Clarity Act upheld.

I applaud the attempt to somehow prove a lie with evidence that contradicts your argument.

Bold move - and worthy of someone who says Brexit is a populist movement ( with a mere 16 million votes against)
 

Blackleaf

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Quebec could not have separated on a simple majority - which is the general opinion that the Clarity Act upheld.

So?

I applaud the attempt to somehow prove a lie with evidence that contradicts your argument.

There is no lie. Mr Parsons is right when he said that more Britons voted for Brexit than have voted for anything else in history - 17,410,742 of them.
 

Hoid

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So?



There is no lie. Mr Parsons is right when he said that more Britons voted for Brexit than have voted for anything else in history - 17,410,742 of them.

So? So we were talking about a simple majority not being enough to activate most parliamentary procedures - as it in Quebec's separation from Canada - it would require more the simple majority referendum vote .

When they impeach Trump it will take a 2/3s majority vote in the senate to do it.\\

While he did not lie about the yes vote he omitted mentioning the NO vote which itself was a larger vote than has ever been cast in history.

Not sure why any of this is tripping you up.

Brexit is not a huge populist movement. It is something that was passed by a very small (3%) majority
 

Blackleaf

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So? So we were talking about a simple majority not being enough to activate most parliamentary procedures - as it in Quebec's separation from Canada - it would require more the simple majority referendum vote .

Where's the law which states that a 52%-48% in favour of leaving the EU is not enough to take us out? If it's there, it's one that everybody is ignoring.

Would you be complaining had it been 52%-48% in favour of Remain?

While he did not lie about the yes vote he omitted mentioning the NO vote which itself was a larger vote than has ever been cast in history.

No, it wasn't. It was smaller than the vote in favour of leaving the EU.
 
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Hoid

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I wouldn't complain in any case.

I am just pointing out that calling Brexit a hugely popular thing is simply wrong.
 

Blackleaf

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Lol...goof...

Can't admit it can you?

Coward.

Does the EU need the UK for trade?

I'll answer it for you: Considering the EU sells more to Britain than Britain sells to the EU, it can be safely argued that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

According to a poll, one-third (33%) of Britons think that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs it. Over a quarter (28%) say that the EU and UK need each other equally. Meanwhile, only 17% of the British population think that Britain needs the EU more.

I wouldn't complain in any case.

I am just pointing out that calling Brexit a hugely popular thing is simply wrong.

It IS a hugely popular thing. 17.4 million people voted for it. In terms of number of votes, it is the most popular thing ever in UK history.

And I'm still of the opinion that even more than that would have voted for Leave had they not fallen for the Remain bullies' cynical scaremongering and ended up voting Remain even though they didn't want to.
 

White_Unifier

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Maybe the UK needs a new referendum between a soft Brexit and a hard Brexit. May was a Remainer before the vote, so naturally she'll favour a soft Brexit. A hard Brexit referendum would eliminate all ambiguity on this matter and finally force the UK gove to sink the UK ship once and for all.
 

White_Unifier

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Sure...but does the UK need trade with the EU?

'Need' is a strong word. North Korea is highly isolationist and even its economy is still surviving.

So no, the UK doesn't 'need' the EU to survive. The question though is whether the UK wants to just survive or thrive.

Blackleaf says the UK imports much from the EU. In other words, with tariffs, many UK consumer products would go up in price. Sure the UK could go Singapore on us, but then to avoid tariffs it would need to accept higher transportation costs due to greater distance to market.

That's the UK's choice of course.
 

Blackleaf

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And 16 million people voted against it - making it what it is - vaguely popular.

17,410,742 people voted for Brexit - the most popular thing ever voted for in UK history.

I would also daresay that a large chunk of people who voted Remain would actually have liked us to leave the terminally stricken EU but were scared into voting Remain by the bullying scaremongering and sensationalism from the Remain campaign, whose ludicrous scare stories during the referendum campaign have yet to come true.

Maybe the UK needs a new referendum between a soft Brexit and a hard Brexit. May was a Remainer before the vote, so naturally she'll favour a soft Brexit. A hard Brexit referendum would eliminate all ambiguity on this matter and finally force the UK gove to sink the UK ship once and for all.

Isn't it funny how there was no talk of "soft Brexit" and "hard Brexit" before and during the EU referendum campaign? It was just Brexit or Remain. The terms "soft Brexit" and "hard Brexit" were invented by the undemocratic Remoaners only after they were defeated in the referendum - "hard Brexit" being what was previously called "Brexit" and "soft Brexit" being to keep us into the corrupt, undemocratic, sclerotic EU in all but name, ignoring a democratic decision of the British people.