The Rise Of The Fourth Reich
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The fact that the US pays the largest sum does not mean the UN isn't a representation of global governance.
I do not say the UN is perfect, actually, they've pretty much agreed that it should be reformed. But still, it is a form of global governance, the UN is more than the Security Council.
And in what lies the assumption US = UN if you question the fact whether they have paid their share; on what other fields does the US control the UN in that case?
And in what lies the assumption US = UN if you question the fact whether they have paid their share; on what other fields does the US control the UN in that case?
Why then the UN won't ask the world to go after Israel and bomb the shit out of it as they did in Iraq? Because the US vetoed every single resolution regarding Israel.
The same applies to a lot of other issues. How come the UN does not have a resolution against the US for illegally invading Iraq based on lies and greed?
The same applies to a lot of other issues. How come the UN does not have a resolution against the US for illegally invading Iraq based on lies and greed?
moghrabi, what you are describing is a small faction of the UN (though getting most of the attention). I don't agree with them. The US has the right to veto (they did it 76 times). So have countries like Russia (120 times), the UK (32 times), France (18 times) and China (5 times).
moghrabi, I totally agree, but as you know, the UN can condemn, but not punish directly. You can bring Israel to the International Court of Justice, but Israel has not signed its treaty. And applying for a boycott has already been done before (Iraq - and heavily criticized), and in a weird way it would be unfair for those 100 other countries in the world where human rights are seriously offended ... But as I said: the UN is much more than decision making about Israel.
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No, by no means. They could be great doctors, lawyers, programmers etc. etc. What I was saying is that they're not taught to be very politically astute, we are ignorant of our own system. So not poorly educated, just ignorant of some VERY important things. People can be well-educated, but be terrible citizens.
No, by no means. They could be great doctors, lawyers, programmers etc. etc. What I was saying is that they're not taught to be very politically astute, we are ignorant of our own system. So not poorly educated, just ignorant of some VERY important things. People can be well-educated, but be terrible citizens.
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Not good citizens in the goverment sense, but conscientious and active citizens necessary to facilitate the democratic process. Instead they are only taught how to be better workers, but not better people.
Not good citizens in the goverment sense, but conscientious and active citizens necessary to facilitate the democratic process. Instead they are only taught how to be better workers, but not better people.
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Have you noticed that the more control the capitalists have, the more the US resembles Stalinist Russia?
Have you noticed that the more control the capitalists have, the more the US resembles Stalinist Russia?
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I'm going to read 1984 again, as hard as that's going to be, that book was partly based off of Stalinist Russia. Very scary stuff.
I'm going to read 1984 again, as hard as that's going to be, that book was partly based off of Stalinist Russia. Very scary stuff.
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You should read William Gibson's cyberpunk books too, Apollo. They aren't quite as inciteful as 1984, but he started writing them as an allegory for Reagan's America. I'm guessing that the next one is going to pretty dark.
You should read William Gibson's cyberpunk books too, Apollo. They aren't quite as inciteful as 1984, but he started writing them as an allegory for Reagan's America. I'm guessing that the next one is going to pretty dark.
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Heh, I went through a cyberpunk phase last year
. I'll be sure to check them out. It's weird how much like science fiction we have become.
Heh, I went through a cyberpunk phase last year
. I'll be sure to check them out. It's weird how much like science fiction we have become.The Elite in the U.S. must of had this voting trip figured out a long time ago.
Imagine people having to line up for 9 hours to vote?
All the screwed up voting machines are in poor areas.
Obviously, the system is corrupt. Just look at how long the Elite have been pullin' this kind of stuff off! It is no wonder that they and their lobbyists win all the time.
CNN claims that more people voted in this election than before. Well, the population has increased. In 10 years a whole new generation has become eligible to vote.
Half of these Christian Taliban people in those small Southern towns haven't even got a passport. They know nothing about the world around them.
CNN mentions the problems with voting but never investigate it or elaborate on it much. They only report it. They don't want to shake the system.
I bet all defense contractor employees went and voted. In fact, I'll bet the companies encouraged their employees to vote by absentee ballot and thus avoid line-ups.
I wonder how many republicans entered democratic strongholds and when casting their votes, just took their time and stalled, in an effort to create long lines of others waiting to vote.?
And; in Canada, we elect people who are chosen by secret ballot cast by Elite Party members. What a joke, eh? The person put before us as a candidate and leader of our country is first chosen by the Elite. He is first shown as a "rising star" within the party and thus "deserving" of our vote.
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Imagine people having to line up for 9 hours to vote?
All the screwed up voting machines are in poor areas.
Obviously, the system is corrupt. Just look at how long the Elite have been pullin' this kind of stuff off! It is no wonder that they and their lobbyists win all the time.
CNN claims that more people voted in this election than before. Well, the population has increased. In 10 years a whole new generation has become eligible to vote.
Half of these Christian Taliban people in those small Southern towns haven't even got a passport. They know nothing about the world around them.
CNN mentions the problems with voting but never investigate it or elaborate on it much. They only report it. They don't want to shake the system.
I bet all defense contractor employees went and voted. In fact, I'll bet the companies encouraged their employees to vote by absentee ballot and thus avoid line-ups.
I wonder how many republicans entered democratic strongholds and when casting their votes, just took their time and stalled, in an effort to create long lines of others waiting to vote.?
And; in Canada, we elect people who are chosen by secret ballot cast by Elite Party members. What a joke, eh? The person put before us as a candidate and leader of our country is first chosen by the Elite. He is first shown as a "rising star" within the party and thus "deserving" of our vote.
Calm
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Is it dead or just starting to wake up? The last US president who appeared honest was Jimmy Carter. He got in on a fluke for only a single term because both parties were in disarray after Watergate. The US power structure still reviles him.
Canada hasn't had a real leader since Pierre Trudeau. Chretien took a shot at it as part of his legacy building spree at the end, but a few months of acting like you have a spine doesn't make up for 9 years of crawling. Instead it points for his overall failure.
Look at the press. Who do they quote as experts? Right-wing think tanks. Usually without qualifying them as such. Read the paper...it's all CD Howe says this and the Fraser Institute says that. If they bother to mention the Tommy Douglas institute they make it very clear that it's a left-wing think tank though...usually "with ties to the NDP."
That's all changing slowly though. Look at the links people put up here and on other sites. Consider the number of sites and the fact that there are links. Think about the protests we've seen in the last few years.
The NDP increased their votes and their seats in the last election. There is a lot of talk in Canada about introducing proportional representation. Ralph Nader refused to drop out of this US election and pulled in a lot of attention in the last one. Most people know who Noam Chomsky is now...3 or 4 years ago nobody did.
It isn't going to wake up quickly, and there are a lot of people singing lullabies trying to put it back to sleep, but democracy is starting to wake wake up.
Is it dead or just starting to wake up? The last US president who appeared honest was Jimmy Carter. He got in on a fluke for only a single term because both parties were in disarray after Watergate. The US power structure still reviles him.
Canada hasn't had a real leader since Pierre Trudeau. Chretien took a shot at it as part of his legacy building spree at the end, but a few months of acting like you have a spine doesn't make up for 9 years of crawling. Instead it points for his overall failure.
Look at the press. Who do they quote as experts? Right-wing think tanks. Usually without qualifying them as such. Read the paper...it's all CD Howe says this and the Fraser Institute says that. If they bother to mention the Tommy Douglas institute they make it very clear that it's a left-wing think tank though...usually "with ties to the NDP."
That's all changing slowly though. Look at the links people put up here and on other sites. Consider the number of sites and the fact that there are links. Think about the protests we've seen in the last few years.
The NDP increased their votes and their seats in the last election. There is a lot of talk in Canada about introducing proportional representation. Ralph Nader refused to drop out of this US election and pulled in a lot of attention in the last one. Most people know who Noam Chomsky is now...3 or 4 years ago nobody did.
It isn't going to wake up quickly, and there are a lot of people singing lullabies trying to put it back to sleep, but democracy is starting to wake wake up.
Most americans vote with their hearts, not with their minds. Whoever is able to exploit this reality the best, wins.
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How long is that going to last for though, Polaco? There was a lot of anger over the last election and there is a lot of anger over this one. I don't see the US coming through this period of history unscathed, in fact I think it's well on its way to becoming a failed state, but I see a growing democratic movement in the US...the people who will pick up the pieces in the end.
Everybody from the ACLU to MoveOn to guys like you and Apollo is starting to speak out...loudly. That's important. I don't think that you are suddenly going to be successful given the power of the government has and how dysfunctional your system has become.
I don't believe that most people don't think, I do think that an awful lot of thinking people do not see themselves being represented by either party. Even with the massive voter turnout this time you didn't get 60% of eligible voters out to the polls.
How long is that going to last for though, Polaco? There was a lot of anger over the last election and there is a lot of anger over this one. I don't see the US coming through this period of history unscathed, in fact I think it's well on its way to becoming a failed state, but I see a growing democratic movement in the US...the people who will pick up the pieces in the end.
Everybody from the ACLU to MoveOn to guys like you and Apollo is starting to speak out...loudly. That's important. I don't think that you are suddenly going to be successful given the power of the government has and how dysfunctional your system has become.
I don't believe that most people don't think, I do think that an awful lot of thinking people do not see themselves being represented by either party. Even with the massive voter turnout this time you didn't get 60% of eligible voters out to the polls.