The Quran gives the easier way

Dexter Sinister

Unspecified Specialist
Oct 1, 2004
10,168
539
113
Regina, SK
surely God guides not the wrong-doing people.
I'd have thought they'd be the ones most in need of guidance. What's this deity trying to accomplish, horrible death for the vast majority of his creatures?
Therefore, God warned them and threatened them that He has decided to punish them in the future.
There's something to look forward to, and I'm sure you do. You hide your anti-Semitism behind citations from the Quran, just as the the Christian church used to do, and some Christians still do, with biblical citations, but everybody can see it. I'd bet you think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a legitimate historical document.
 

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
TheQuran was supposedly DICTATED by an illiterate person, to three other fellows,who wrote down what the illiterate person said, but not till after he had died.Yes indeed, and we are to believe that this is an inspired book of God, whenMohammed himself is NEVER known to have actually said any of the things thatare in the Quran. There are no accounts from any other source that he wanted,or even tried to make, a new religion.

Didn’t you ask yourself: How can I believe all this without any proof, and deny the truth that the Quran is God’sword which He revealed to Prophet Mohammed – salam be to him, just as had He revealed before the Torah to Moses and the Gospel to Jesus; and that the Quran is the pure word of God inviting people to God alone without associate?

The word قرآنQuran is derived from the word recite which means to read: that is what Gabriel recited to Prophet Mohammed and the latter recited it to people.

While the word كتاب scripture or book or more precisely “writings”is derived from the word write down. This is what his companions wrote down following his dictation to them.

As in the Quran2: 2-3

2 الم .

2 Alif,Lam, Miem.

The explanation: (ReciteTo them, O Mohammed!)

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

3 ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًىلِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

3 That Scripture, whereof there is no doubt, guidance to those who ward off [God's punishment.]

The interpretation:

That scripture: indicates the ayat of the Quran revealed before this aya (like soora 96, 74, 73, 68 ..etc) and your companions wrote it down; so before its writing down, it is not the “book” or the “writings”, but it is the recital which is what Gabriel recited to Mohammed.

Because Gabriel did not bring down a book from heaven, but he brought the ayat that he recited to Mohammed who told it to people and they wrote it down so when it was written then it can be called a “book”.

تفسير سورة البقرة


Muslimsare supposed to eat only "halal", which is actually exactly the sameas Kosher. But, the vast majority of Muslims do NOT follow Halal explicitly, dothey? So, they do not follow the Quran, except when it suits them to do so.

“Muslims” do not mean angels: they are people out of the creation of God.

“Believers” also are the same,unless they act righteously.

Like you say “good citizens”, but they should not transgress on others.

As God – be glorified – said in theQuran 5: 68

قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَسْتُمْ عَلَى شَيْءٍ حَتَّىَ تُقِيمُواْالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالإِنجِيلَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّكَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا فَلاَتَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِينَ

The explanation:

(Say [Mohammed to them]: "People of the Bible [lit. Scripture: Jews and Christians],

you rest on no [sound religion] until you 'correct and observe' the Law and the Gospel and [the rules and duties in the original Law and the original Gospel,including the belief in the Seal of prophets: Mohammed, son of Abdullah] that was revealed to you from your Lord."

But [their dispraisal] that has been revealed to you [Mohammed, in the Quran] from your Lord will surely increase much many of them in arrogance and disbelief;

so grieve not for a people who disbelieve [neither in the Quran, nor in you.] )

The Ten Commandments In The Quran
 
Last edited:

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
I'd have thought they'd be the ones most in need of guidance. What's this deity trying to accomplish, horrible death for the vast majority of his creatures?

I know that you and most of the others here hate the Quran very much to the extent that you pass over the ayat quickly and unwilling to think deeply about its implication and ponder about their meaning.

And it is not of a matter of "they'd be the ones most in need of guidance", but a matter of deserving such guidance: God's plan is to let wrong-doers misguided in order to punish them, and He sends them His envoys only as an evidence against them: implying: I have sent you My apostles and warners, but you did not listen to them; so you go into Hell to suffer therein forever according to your wrong-doing and transgression and hard hearts.

This meaning is manifest in the Glorious Quran that God guides the kind-hearted and the good-doer towards the poor and needy; and that He misguides those doing worng and transgression on the weak and the orphans and widows and those who impede the help to the hungry and the needy.

Like this aya 32: 13

وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَآتَيْنَا كُلَّ نَفْسٍهُدَاهَا وَلَكِنْ حَقَّ الْقَوْلُ مِنِّي لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِوَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ

The explanation:

(If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was [deservedly] pronounced in truth:

"Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether.")


And like this Quranic revelation 10: 99

وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًاأَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ

The explanation:

([O Mohammed,] if your Lord had willed, all those in the earth as a whole [: all the planets] would have believed. Then can you compel people tobecome believers?)

And He – be exalted– explained that He does not like the transgressors and worng-doers in many ayat, and in other ayat God declared that He misguides the wrong-doer; like this aya 14: 27

يُثَبِّتُ اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِالْقَوْلِالثَّابِتِ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَفِي الآخِرَةِ وَيُضِلُّ اللّهُ الظَّالِمِينَوَيَفْعَلُ اللّهُ مَا يَشَاء

The explanation:
(God confirms those who believe,through the enduring word in the Worldly life and in the afterlife;
but God misguides wrong-doers, and God does that which He will.)



You can find almost diametrically opposing statements in the Quran. Little things, such as that all peoples of "the book" are to be accorded respect. This means that they are not to be treated poorly, they are NOT to be forcibly converted and they are NOT to be murdered. To do so is to put oneself outside of the rules of the Quran, and makes one an apostate. According to the Quran, all Apostates are to be killed, so this literally means that any Muslim that kills a Christian or a Jew is to be killed as an Apostate.

Yet, other passages state that any non-believer is to be put to the sword. What is a non-believer? Once again, according to some passages, all peoples of the Book are believers. Yet, in other passages, Christians and Jews are non-believers.

So, what is any person to do? If they follow one set of passages, they are in violation of the other. This literally makes no sense at all.

Mention to us what are such passages and their numbers, so that we may believe and answer you.
 
Last edited: