hey i wuz wonderin how other canadians fell about quebec
and why should we not seperate
note: this is for a project
and why should we not seperate
note: this is for a project
The question
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My reasons are all emotional. I'll leave the economic and all the other boring arguments to the others.
I love the diversity we find in Canada. This includes the English and French as well as the immigrants from Asia, Africa and other places in Europe. I don't believe in assimilation, I prefer instead blending cultures and enjoying what each has to offer.
The only thing that really bothers me about the separatists (whether from Quebec or Alberta) is their "me first" attitude. We should be Canadians first and foremost.
I love the diversity we find in Canada. This includes the English and French as well as the immigrants from Asia, Africa and other places in Europe. I don't believe in assimilation, I prefer instead blending cultures and enjoying what each has to offer.
The only thing that really bothers me about the separatists (whether from Quebec or Alberta) is their "me first" attitude. We should be Canadians first and foremost.
I would love - and much prefer - for Quebec to stay in Canada, but I think I understand the reasons why they might not want to stay, and ultimately, if the happiness and well-being of the Quebec people lies in separation, then the rest of Canada must show genuine goodwill and support (in other words, they need to drop the 'screw 'em, let 'em go if they don't like it' attitude).
English-speaking Canadians tend to view the whole separation idea as a slap in the face, but personally I do not think it comes from a dislike of English Canada so much as a love of all that is French and a desire to keep the traditions, language and ways of the French.
If the people of Quebec are not able to feel they are a part of Canada, then something has to be done... and, barring separation, the onus for finding a solution lies, in great part, on English-speaking Canadians.
English-speaking Canadians tend to view the whole separation idea as a slap in the face, but personally I do not think it comes from a dislike of English Canada so much as a love of all that is French and a desire to keep the traditions, language and ways of the French.
If the people of Quebec are not able to feel they are a part of Canada, then something has to be done... and, barring separation, the onus for finding a solution lies, in great part, on English-speaking Canadians.
Re: RE: The question
I'm sorry to disapoint you, but we arnt. Even the federalist, say they are Québécois, and Canadian after. The only difference is seperatist don't say they are Canadian.
It has nothing to do with Canada. Well, it does actually. Canada is a great Country. Canadians are a great nation. It just isnt my country and nation. I don't see myself in it. I feel nothing when I hear "O Canada". I feel nothing when I see the Canadian flag. No patriotism, nothing.
Its about us, our Nation, our people. Its time, that we take our destiny in our own hands. We find our own place in this world. It isnt personal, its just how it is.
LadyC said:
I'm sorry to disapoint you, but we arnt. Even the federalist, say they are Québécois, and Canadian after. The only difference is seperatist don't say they are Canadian.
It has nothing to do with Canada. Well, it does actually. Canada is a great Country. Canadians are a great nation. It just isnt my country and nation. I don't see myself in it. I feel nothing when I hear "O Canada". I feel nothing when I see the Canadian flag. No patriotism, nothing.
Its about us, our Nation, our people. Its time, that we take our destiny in our own hands. We find our own place in this world. It isnt personal, its just how it is.
Well then, Numure, if you don't feel a part of Canada why don't you just leave it?
I've asked you before to tell me exactly why you feel this way, but so far I haven't seen any answer from you. Obviously you feel you are hard done by, but I can't imagine why. The rest of Canada, the real Canada, has given you the right to control much of what goes on in Quebec; you have your language laws and you control how many immigrants come to Quebec, and run your own version of many other social benefits. To me you are already a separate society with the freedom to control much of your cultural needs. What more do you want?
I've asked you before to tell me exactly why you feel this way, but so far I haven't seen any answer from you. Obviously you feel you are hard done by, but I can't imagine why. The rest of Canada, the real Canada, has given you the right to control much of what goes on in Quebec; you have your language laws and you control how many immigrants come to Quebec, and run your own version of many other social benefits. To me you are already a separate society with the freedom to control much of your cultural needs. What more do you want?
When I hear folks talkin' about whether Quebec will leave Canada or not .... I just think of the Oka Crisis and where the Indians just blocked a damn road.
Those in power had the army move in.
The Federal government is not gonna allow Quebec to separate. Period. If they get separation, it will only be at the point of a gun.
The Indians only took a golf course! Just think what the Federal forces would do to save a province?
Oh, Yeh .... Imagine Quebec doing it all by their lonesome or unilaterally .... and then having 40% of the population called "insurgents" .... and what about all the Canadian military guys on bases throughout the province .... It might be more entertaining than Iraq is now.
But, it's a good story to run an election campaign on!
I know, .... it's part of being a Canadian.
But, I'm getting awful tired of it.
Calm
Those in power had the army move in.
The Federal government is not gonna allow Quebec to separate. Period. If they get separation, it will only be at the point of a gun.
The Indians only took a golf course! Just think what the Federal forces would do to save a province?
Oh, Yeh .... Imagine Quebec doing it all by their lonesome or unilaterally .... and then having 40% of the population called "insurgents" .... and what about all the Canadian military guys on bases throughout the province .... It might be more entertaining than Iraq is now.
But, it's a good story to run an election campaign on!
I know, .... it's part of being a Canadian.
But, I'm getting awful tired of it.
Calm
Years ago I thought let Quebec separate who needs em . Well ya know what canada does need Quebec . As well as Quebec does need Canada . I have never been to Quebec but one day I do hope to go there . And visit Quebec city .
When you look at it the english stole Quebec from them so I would be a tad pissed off also . But that was a few centuries ago live and let live I say .
Besides what would happen to the Canadiens and the Allouettes ?
When you look at it the english stole Quebec from them so I would be a tad pissed off also . But that was a few centuries ago live and let live I say .
Besides what would happen to the Canadiens and the Allouettes ? double 2 said:
Absolute rubbish.
The maudit Anglais couldn't have stolen what never existed; namely a sovereign nation called Quebec. Modern day Quebec, in point of fact, is a British creation brought about when they defeated the French and their colonial aspirations in North America.
The only thing separatist can legitimately cry about is the theft of a dream... Even without the intervention of the British, Quebecers would not have been sovereign -- they would have had to have fought for their independance from France first.
Never been there,either,but I do want Quebec to remain with us. Nothing wrong with the people or the language,but I think it should be completely bilingual. My province is the only official bilingual one at present.
Numure said:
You separatists are such a pathetic, ignorant lot.
You say you feel nothing for Canada and yet it was French settlers who gave this country its name. You say you feel nothing for the maple leaf and yet it is a symbol of your Quebec terroir. The national anthem for whom you feel nothing was a French-Canadian patriotic song for the Saint-Jean-Baptiste Society.
What's next? Are you going to tell me you feel nothing for Quebec's hockey team just because they are called les Canadiens? Are you going to stop eating poutine if it ever catches on in the rest of Canada?
Does your pettyness knows no bounds? Instead of acting like a bunch of ignorant backwood francobillies, you would do better to study and appreciate your Canadian history -- instead of trying to bury it under a pile of separatist B.S.
To shut Canada out of your hearts is to deny a part of yourselves.
Only an idiot cuts off his nose to spite his face.
Why should the descendants of colonists ( french or anglos or other - matters not ) be given such a possibility as forming an independent state?
The point here is that there is nothing wrong with such an intention - ONLY if comes after First Nations would establish sovereignty over their traditonal territories and a new system of White Reserved Settlements would come into place instead of the alien grid of municipalities.
I doubt there would be much place left for independent Quebec as per se after this.
The point here is that there is nothing wrong with such an intention - ONLY if comes after First Nations would establish sovereignty over their traditonal territories and a new system of White Reserved Settlements would come into place instead of the alien grid of municipalities.
I doubt there would be much place left for independent Quebec as per se after this.
Neodim's point is very valid and often overlooked by the separatists. There's also another point: The economy.
You live in Montreal sj007. You know how much the economy of the city has faultered and the side streets full of empty shop windows. They've also lost out on the corporations who would have and did call Montreal home...
Separate and this will only get worse!
You live in Montreal sj007. You know how much the economy of the city has faultered and the side streets full of empty shop windows. They've also lost out on the corporations who would have and did call Montreal home...
Separate and this will only get worse!
Neodim...I have a question or 900 for you. The main one is do you see the growing native gang problem as a strictly social problem, or is it political?
I've talked to a few gang members...former and present...and their concerns have a pretty deep political bent. None of the gangs have taken a political stance though.
I don't think that the gangs are representative of natives, but I do think they are a powerful force within the native community.
I also know that the leading edge of the "gang generation" are about my age and reaching some power politically. They've cleaned themselves up and put on suits and ties, but the old politics die hard and they weren't wrong in the first place, at least if you listened.
Are we on the verge of something, perhaps a new militancy, here?
I've talked to a few gang members...former and present...and their concerns have a pretty deep political bent. None of the gangs have taken a political stance though.
I don't think that the gangs are representative of natives, but I do think they are a powerful force within the native community.
I also know that the leading edge of the "gang generation" are about my age and reaching some power politically. They've cleaned themselves up and put on suits and ties, but the old politics die hard and they weren't wrong in the first place, at least if you listened.
Are we on the verge of something, perhaps a new militancy, here?