Unfortunately that is not possible in a democracy. The only way for people not to be corrupted is to avoid the source of curruption. If someone is sick with a deadly virus, only a fool would want to kiss that someone. One thing that makes democracy work is the perception meritocracy may be achieved primarily financially. That perception will inevitably lead to corruption.
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Unfortunately that is not possible in a democracy. The only way for people not to be corrupted is to avoid the source of curruption. If someone is sick with a deadly virus, only a fool would want to kiss that someone. One thing that makes democracy work is the perception meritocracy may be achieved primarily financially. That perception will inevitably lead to corruption.
Gordon J Torture said:
Then I suggest to wait a couple of hundred years, perhaps by then humanity will have evolved in its perceptions. What your alluding to, is sort of scary really.
"It isn't possible to label an individual in such way. I'll give an example of myself, I'm for abortion but I stress that I wouldn't approve of it as a method of birth control. So does this make me pro-life? Or pro-abortion?"
Well, really, it just makes you pro-abortion. Either you approve of it, or you don't. The little details are just tools to manipulate through an election.
Well, really, it just makes you pro-abortion. Either you approve of it, or you don't. The little details are just tools to manipulate through an election.
Gordon J Torture said:
Yes, it is, forget elections for a moment though. There are women who frequent abortion clinics, should they be permitted to do so? I think not :wink:
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No they should not, because it is counterproductive (except maybe financially in some ways) to society. It shows blatant disrespect for the time of the doctor, to the women that really need an abortion for more serious reasons who never before had the procedure, and also it is disrespect of their own bodies. ( It is obviously not healthy to have frequent abortions) Most likely those women have enough control over their own lives that if they really cared, would not have to get abortoins so often.
However, the frequency of women who "frequent abortion clinics" is not ridiculously high to my knowledge.
By the way, nice rightside tactic!!!
What a lame argument tink, using your logic, I would assume that everyone should stop drinking because of the people that abuse it. In every system there are indivduals that abuse the system. Hell just go to the 8 items or less checkout at the grocery store...how many times have you seen people with 9 items????
Jo Canadian said:
Haven’t we achieved this in Canada to a moderate degree atleast?
I would have to say that the right has done a lot in the way of compromise. Look at all the social programming we have here and the taxes we pay day in day out to support it.
Gordon J Torture said:By the way, nice rightside tactic!!!
See what I mean, you can't have a mixed view with those leaning to the right or the left because they both think in absolutes.
This is why either or in power are dangerous.
peapod said:
Read my answer above, you think in absolute terms, thats what makes you have low tolerance for anything beyond your span of perception.
Jay said:Jo Canadian said:
Haven’t we achieved this in Canada to a moderate degree atleast?
I would have to say that the right has done a lot in the way of compromise. Look at all the social programming we have here and the taxes we pay day in day out to support it.
I would say on "some" issues Jay, like your healthcare is a good start.
I believe it should be up to the individual to determine if it is a corruptive agent, and if he believes it is, he need not go near it.
There are many Muslims in my neighborhood who do not drink at all because of their religion, yet they own and run liquor stores. They do not see it as a contradiction at all, nor do I.
I don't see it has a contradiction either gordon, anymore than I think women would use legal abortion as a method of birth control.
I'd say we're on our way to achieving something along that line. We do have a long way to go though. There's still the corruption problem, and that goes for all parties. Their noses haven't been clean within any recent history, that's one thing we got to work on. Hopefully someday we'll get it right.
Gordon J Torture said:
There isn't any tactic involved in analyzing an issue other than just the surface. Thats just a preconception.
When conclusions are based on preconceptions. It proves only what is assumed.
Jo Canadian said:
Well hurry up Jay and Jo
We often use the Canadian health care system as a model, and as long as it has "issues" we can't copy you, so chop chop I agree, although I would not want my daughter to be in the future having abortions every so many months. I would much rather her avoid that from being necessary.l I don't think it should be illegal, but someone who is there all the time should certainly be discouraged.
To me abortions are no different then condoms. One way you sort of kill life, one way you prevent it from existing. In the end, it's exactly the same result. My views on abortions are because of the obvious detrimental factors that do not exist with condoms.
I agree 100 percent with you gordon. And I would suspect no lefty wants women lining up for abortion. It should be the choice after all avenues have been examined, but the choice should still be there. Most fathers would not want their daughters seeking a doctor out in back alleys.
We can also use other countries that are also trying their own home brewed models of this type of system. I'd say putting our heads together to figger it out may make things work better rather than everyone trying in their own little corner. The swiss we can take some ideas from for example- child care, but there are some things that I don't want...like silly little rules on when to do anything as I had shown in a previous post: culture shock they're what I'd consider the Far left.