The objections of the idolaters to the Prophet

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
How is making the messenger (Mohammed) central to the 'book' not moving God away from being the most important part of the Muslim religion. It seems to be the same flaw the RCC has by paying more honor to the Pope than he deserves. That comes with severe consequences.

Jas:2:8-11:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

M't:22:37:
Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul,
and with all thy mind.
M't:22:38:
This is the first and great commandment.


Re:2:3-5:
And hast borne,
and hast patience,
and for my name's sake hast laboured,
and hast not fainted.
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee,
because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen,
and repent,
and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly,
and will remove thy candlestick out of his place,
except thou repent.
 

Torch light

House Member
Dec 4, 2017
3,553
160
63
Mohammed is the messenger to whom the Quran was revealed .. so from Mohammed we knew the Quran .. therefore, acknowledging the messenger is essential to the belief about God.
It is like the other religions brought by Moses and Jesus.
So unless you believe in the messenger, how can you believe in God as God wants us to believe?
Will everyone be a messenger or a prophet? It can't be.
Anyhow, while we admit the apostlehood of Mohammed, we first of all admit that he is God's servant.

Another point, the purpose is to worship God alone, and to glorify Him alone .. while all others including the prophets and messengers are only the servants of God whom we should respect, but not glorify or worship.

Quran 4: 80, which means:
(Whoso obeys the messenger, is obeying God in fact [because the messenger works according to the command of God.]
But whoso turns away [from the messenger, God shall punish him.]
)

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_80
quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_80
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
Mohammed is the messenger to whom the Quran was revealed .. so from Mohammed we knew the Quran .. therefore, acknowledging the messenger is essential to the belief about God.
It is like the other religions brought by Moses and Jesus.
So unless you believe in the messenger, how can you believe in God as God wants us to believe?
Will everyone be a messenger or a prophet? It can't be.
Anyhow, while we admit the apostlehood of Mohammed, we first of all admit that he is God's servant.

That is a very weak argument and it is more strawman than actual teaching from God. John the Baptist is called the greatest man that lived yet the witness was completed by a Disciple of his rather than he did it in person. Does that fact altar the validity of the message. It is the author of the message and the message that is important. Identifying the messenger is important only as far as his reputation as far as honesty is concerned. I can show you many introductions to messages that follows the pattern that the author of the message and the message body is what should be the topic of discussion.


Jas:1:1:

James,
a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,

greeting.


Joh:1:2-9:

The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him;

and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness;

and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God,

whose name was John.
The same came for a witness,

to bear witness of the Light,

that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light,

but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light,

which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.


John was making himself as unimportant to the message as possible. How much of your admiration for Mohammad is caused by him being a male figure? The Disciple that was tasked by John was a woman so to be a Christian you have to accept that testimony because it comes from a truthful person rather than from some man. Under that condition alone the whole RCC would be classified as a satanic church and her members would be awake in hell for the 1,000 years going through great tribulation rather than being alive and part of the Gentile Church. Muslims have Mohamed, Judaism has Moses and the Church has a variety of men over the last 2,000 years.


She was closer top Jesus than peter was and she will be the first one resurrected from the grave. That would also mean her words have more authority than any Prophet, including Mohamed. All the ones in the NT that were baptized the same way Jesus was just before His 40 day fast when through their own 40 day fast and that gave them certain 'gifts' such as healing by touch alone as a sign that God had sent them. That ended about 100AD, did Mohamed ever record that he went through such a fast?


2Jo:1:1:

The elder unto the elect lady and her children,
whom I love in the truth;

and not I only,
but also all they that have known the truth;
 

Torch light

House Member
Dec 4, 2017
3,553
160
63
God is to be worshiped and glorified .. and obeyed.
The messenger is to be respected .. and obeyed: the obedience of the messenger is in fact the obedience to God Who sent him.
A similar words in the Gospel maybe: "Who receives me, in fact receives God That sent me."

Quran 48: 9, which means:
[God – be glorified - explained about the purpose of ‘sending’ [the Prophet], and He said:]

(That you may believe in God and His messenger,
and support [the messenger with words and action],
and reverence God,
and that you may celebrate His praises [always] early and late in the day.
)

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/48.htm#a48_9
quran-ayat.com/pret/48.htm#a48_9

Therefore, the supporting is for the messenger, while the glorification and veneration or reverence is for God alone.
 
Last edited: