The Next Islamophobic Hate Thread

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```you have no platform to stand on or proof to help brace it. ```


The BBC report is good enough for me and for you. Bush could easily sue for slander if it is incorrect but has chosen not to do so. Why do you suppose that is so?
 

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```you have no platform to stand on or proof to help brace it. ```


The BBC report is good enough for me and for you. Bush could easily sue for slander if it is incorrect but has chosen not to do so. Why do you suppose that is so?

If the BBC report is good enough for me, you and Bush, then why again, is the HRW report, supporting the evidence that the Hezbollah has been using civilians as shields, not good enough for you?
 

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Stop whining will ya. Jeez.

Didn't you see Said's link? Ironically it was the same one I was going to use until he posted it. The BBC documentary settles the issue as it presents several highly credible witnesses. Don't want to believe it? That's your business.

I suppose you still believe that there are WMD all over Iraq as well.:rolleyes:

Didn't you see the smilie at the end of the link? I in no way posted that in suppport of your claims.

For the second time I have come to the conclusion that you don't want to see exactly what people are saying. Reminds me of the guy eating cereal at his desk and couldn't hear his boss say 'you're fired'. :D
 

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I did answer your question but you keep ignoring it because it doesn't suit you. Very convenient on your part but not at all convincing.

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm

[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]Summary[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]This report documents serious violations of international humanitarian law (the laws of war) by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in Lebanon between July 12 and July 27, 2006, as well as the July 30 attack in Qana. During this period, the IDF killed an estimated 400 people, the vast majority of them civilians, and that number climbed to over 500 by the time this report went to print. The Israeli government claims it is taking all possible measures to minimize civilian harm, but the cases documented here reveal a systematic failure by the IDF to distinguish between combatants and civilians.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]Since the start of the conflict, Israeli forces have consistently launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military gain but excessive civilian cost. In dozens of attacks, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some cases, the timing and intensity of the attack, the absence of a military target, as well as return strikes on rescuers, suggest that Israeli forces deliberately targeted civilians.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]The Israeli government claims that it targets only Hezbollah, and that fighters from the group are using civilians as human shields, thereby placing them at risk. Human Rights Watch found no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack. Hezbollah occasionally did store weapons in or near civilian homes and fighters placed rocket launchers within populated areas or near U.N. observers, which are serious violations of the laws of war because they violate the duty to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian casualties. However, those cases do not justify the IDF’s extensive use of indiscriminate force which has cost so many civilian lives. In none of the cases of civilian deaths documented in this report is there evidence to suggest that Hezbollah forces or weapons were in or near the area that the IDF targeted during or just prior to the attack.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]By consistently failing to distinguish between combatants and civilians, Israel has violated one of the most fundamental tenets of the laws of war: the duty to carry out attacks on only military targets. The pattern of attacks during the Israeli offensive in Lebanon suggests that the failures cannot be explained or dismissed as mere accidents; the extent of the pattern and the seriousness of the consequences indicate the commission of war crimes.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]This report is based on extensive on-the-ground research in Lebanon. Since the start of hostilities, Human Rights Watch has interviewed victims and witnesses of attacks in one-on-one settings, conducted on-site inspections (when security allowed), and collected information from hospitals, humanitarian groups, and government agencies. Human Rights Watch also conducted research in Israel, inspecting the IDF’s use of weapons and discussing the conduct of forces with IDF officials. The research was extensive, but given the ongoing war and the scope of the bombings, Human Rights Watch does not claim that the findings are comprehensive; further investigation is required to document the war’s complete impact on civilians and to assess the full scope of the IDF’s compliance with and disregard for international humanitarian law.[/SIZE][/FONT]



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Again, it documents IDF violations but is still in the process of evaluating Hezbollah's actions. If it was in violation as was the IDF aggressors (remember, it was Israel who started the war) it should have reached the same conclusions by now. We have already discussed that distinction.





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CDNBear

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I did answer your question but you keep ignoring it because it doesn't suit you. Very convenient on your part but not at all convincing.

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm

[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]Summary[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]This report documents serious violations of international humanitarian law (the laws of war) by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in Lebanon between July 12 and July 27, 2006, as well as the July 30 attack in Qana. During this period, the IDF killed an estimated 400 people, the vast majority of them civilians, and that number climbed to over 500 by the time this report went to print. The Israeli government claims it is taking all possible measures to minimize civilian harm, but the cases documented here reveal a systematic failure by the IDF to distinguish between combatants and civilians.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]Since the start of the conflict, Israeli forces have consistently launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military gain but excessive civilian cost. In dozens of attacks, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some cases, the timing and intensity of the attack, the absence of a military target, as well as return strikes on rescuers, suggest that Israeli forces deliberately targeted civilians.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]The Israeli government claims that it targets only Hezbollah, and that fighters from the group are using civilians as human shields, thereby placing them at risk. Human Rights Watch found no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack. Hezbollah occasionally did store weapons in or near civilian homes and fighters placed rocket launchers within populated areas or near U.N. observers, which are serious violations of the laws of war because they violate the duty to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian casualties. However, those cases do not justify the IDF’s extensive use of indiscriminate force which has cost so many civilian lives. In none of the cases of civilian deaths documented in this report is there evidence to suggest that Hezbollah forces or weapons were in or near the area that the IDF targeted during or just prior to the attack.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]By consistently failing to distinguish between combatants and civilians, Israel has violated one of the most fundamental tenets of the laws of war: the duty to carry out attacks on only military targets. The pattern of attacks during the Israeli offensive in Lebanon suggests that the failures cannot be explained or dismissed as mere accidents; the extent of the pattern and the seriousness of the consequences indicate the commission of war crimes.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=geneva,arial][SIZE=-1]This report is based on extensive on-the-ground research in Lebanon. Since the start of hostilities, Human Rights Watch has interviewed victims and witnesses of attacks in one-on-one settings, conducted on-site inspections (when security allowed), and collected information from hospitals, humanitarian groups, and government agencies. Human Rights Watch also conducted research in Israel, inspecting the IDF’s use of weapons and discussing the conduct of forces with IDF officials. The research was extensive, but given the ongoing war and the scope of the bombings, Human Rights Watch does not claim that the findings are comprehensive; further investigation is required to document the war’s complete impact on civilians and to assess the full scope of the IDF’s compliance with and disregard for international humanitarian law.[/SIZE][/FONT]



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Again, it documents IDF violations but is still in the process of evaluating Hezbollah's actions. If it was in violation as was the IDF aggressors (remember, it was Israel who started the war) it should have reached the same conclusions by now. We have already discussed that distinction.





OWNED - AGAIN!
Just because you act like a child and type in big bold print that you think you own me, does not make it so. Frankly I preferred you when you acted like an adult.

And no you have not answered my question.

If the BBC is a good enough news source for quoting references to suit you, why is the HRW, no longer an acceptable source for proof the Hezbollah has used civilians as shields? Further more, I found report on the BBC, that make the claims that the Hezbollah has used human shields as well. So why is the BBC not a suitable source for that proof?
 

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Said,

I did note your smiley. But note that the link proves my point. Thanks!


No it doesn't. It's a 'he said, she said' item. It wouldnt' stand up in court and I wouldn't even use that in a term paper. I'd get laughed at by the mooniest of moonbat professors.
 

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Frankly, I am puzzled as to why my posts appear in large print except for the "owned" at the end of the post [honest, I am not trying to use large print but it comes out that way]. Still, it does not change the fact that I have you underneath what used to be called the Iron Heel of Truth.

BBC does not determine violations of international law. That job belongs to HRW which belongs to the UN. BBC is a valid witness when reporting that Bush said he was ordered by God to invade. But it does not overrule the HRW in determining who violated international law while in combat.
 

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No it doesn't. It's a 'he said, she said' item. I wouldn't use that in a term paper, I'd get laughed at by the mooniest of moonbat professors.

While I was in law school hearsay evidence was shown to be presentable as evidence in a court of law. The opposing side has a right to confirm or deny it. Up to this point, Bush has offered nothing to contradict the various people who made this report that he was so ordered.
 

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Frankly, I am puzzled as to why my posts appear in large print except for the "owned" at the end of the post [honest, I am not trying to use large print but it comes out that way]. Still, it does not change the fact that I have you underneath what used to be called the Iron Heel of Truth.

BBC does not determine violations of international law. That job belongs to HRW which belongs to the UN. BBC is a valid witness when reporting that Bush said he was ordered by God to invade. But it does not overrule the HRW in determining who violated international law while in combat.
That's not how you are using them, you seem to accept and dismiss fact at a whim, using source and debunking sources as they suit you. If you refuse to act like an adult, then I will no longer converse with you. Changing what is a legitamate souce as you see fit is not very adult, nor is it appropriate in the valid communication, you so eagerly seek.
 

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Frankly, I am puzzled as to why my posts appear in large print except for the "owned" at the end of the post [honest, I am not trying to use large print but it comes out that way]. Still, it does not change the fact that I have you underneath what used to be called the Iron Heel of Truth.

BBC does not determine violations of international law. That job belongs to HRW which belongs to the UN. BBC is a valid witness when reporting that Bush said he was ordered by God to invade. But it does not overrule the HRW in determining who violated international law while in combat.

Sure the BBC is valid, same as the Enquirer when reporting what people were witness to.

I'll still take the link to HRW though. Like I said, I love reading the footnotes and sources at the end of the article.
 

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No it doesn't. It's a 'he said, she said' item. I wouldn't use that in a term paper, I'd get laughed at by the mooniest of moonbat professors.

While I was in law school hearsay evidence was shown to be presentable as evidence in a court of law. The opposing side has a right to confirm or deny it. Up to this point, Bush has offered nothing to contradict the various people who made this report that he was so ordered.
And neither has the Hezbollah. But I guess that doesn't matter, because it doesn't coencide with your platform.

Now use big bold words to drive your point home that you think you have won some sort of contest.
 

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Said1 Sure the BBC is valid said:
BBC is controlled by the British government which, in turn, is controlled by Tony Blair who is Bush's number one ally. When Bush's ally reports this as fact you should give it attention and respect.:p
 

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No it doesn't. It's a 'he said, she said' item. I wouldn't use that in a term paper, I'd get laughed at by the mooniest of moonbat professors.

While I was in law school hearsay evidence was shown to be presentable as evidence in a court of law. The opposing side has a right to confirm or deny it. Up to this point, Bush has offered nothing to contradict the various people who made this report that he was so ordered.


Yes. You're right. Using BBC article of that nature as 'proof' would stand up in court.
 

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BBC is controlled by the British government which, in turn, is controlled by Tony Blair who is Bush's number one ally. When Bush's ally reports this as fact you should give it attention and respect.:p

How does Tony Blair control the BBC and why should I care? Who controlled the BBC before Blair controlled it and what sorts of stuff did they uncover?


Still waiting for the other link.
 

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Bear,

You are whining and whining but you have lost the argument.

OWNED!

Oncew again you have regressed to that of a child that can not have his own way, which lends great credence to my evidence and position.

I don't think you really believe that you are right and we are wrong, I believe, you know you have lost, and now you will just scream and pitch a fit until we all go away and there is no one to dissagree with you. I'm

This is futile. You have not proved the Army is Christian and as an ex soldier, I take offence to the mere inferrence to such, as would most.

You have no proof, that the Army is a Christian Army, marching orders supplied by god. Period. I have posted enough proof the make a case in a court of law, that it is marching for money, and nothing more.

If you fail to accept that there is another side to the fence, so beit. I'm not asking you to change your values or beliefs. I'm merely asking you to see it through someone elses eyes. There is a possiblity you maybe wrong, you know.
 

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I make no claims to perfection or of being ordered by God to attack anyone. But there are enough witnesses to prove that Bush made the claim that he is on some kind of holy mission.

If you cannot accept that, so be it.

BTW, as for the large print, I sent a note to the Admin as it is bothering me to some extent as well.
 

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gopher, like I said in the other thread. Your point is invalid, you have no proof the American Army is Christian and frankly, as I've stated before, that is offensive to all those that serve.

If you have no other proof other then in inane mutterings of a class A Texas Teat, then I will bid you farewell. You childish bold print, and your inablity to prove that the US Army, and the Canadian Army are indeed all Christian, makes this an endless arguement of me asking for proof, and you saying "cuzz Bush said so". That in of itself is so ridiculous as to an historic moment in utter stupidity.
 

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Good grief Bear you do have patience of a saint. So to recap Gophers post: he blames Christians for Extreme Islam, never mind the Crusades ended, not sure of the exact date, 2000 years ago. So are the Extremists born with the hatred of their for-fathers visa vie imprinting or is their a special book on Hatred they study from to keep the "Christian hatred" alive. Now he's says the Canadian and US Army are under the control of Christians. Okay who needs a little lie down or meds? What about Sudan envading Somolia and forcing moderate Muslims to practice Extreme Islam, and slaughtering Christians? Not the Christians fault is it, it's their country and an enemy has envaded and are practicing Genocide of Dark Muslims and Christians. So how is this the West fault or the Christians? Talk about Circular Logic, I have the urge to sing "The wheels of the bus go round and round". Gopher you have a terrible habit of reflecting guilt onto the Victims don't you.