The New York Declaration.

[Tecumsehsbones]

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So…who’s the governing body for “Palestine” again that sign off on this?

Reluctant though I am to admit it, petros is right, if you accept his definition of "peace deal." Insofar as the whole "nation-state" system applies to Palestine, Abbas is Dabbas (that was a joke, son). If by "peace deal," one means a treaty, they need Abbas's signature.

This ceasefire or peace deal or agreement for cessation of hostilities or invitation to Susie's birthday part or whatever-the-fuck you feel like calling it has some limited effect if Ham-ass signs off. They're the only ones who have any measure of control over the shooters in Gaza.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Reluctant though I am to admit it, petros is right, if you accept his definition of "peace deal." Insofar as the whole "nation-state" system applies to Palestine, Abbas is Dabbas (that was a joke, son). If by "peace deal," one means a treaty, they need Abbas's signature.

This ceasefire or peace deal or agreement for cessation of hostilities or invitation to Susie's birthday part or whatever-the-fuck you feel like calling it has some limited effect if Ham-ass signs off. They're the only ones who have any measure of control over the shooters in Gaza.

So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?

 

[petros]

Hell, call it a "niceness and bubbles pact." Long as it stops the shooting for now.

East Palestine only has an interest insofar as it can govern. Which it can't.

Has the shooting stopped?

 

[petros]

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So…who’s the governing body for “Palestine” again that sign off on this?

Now Hamas is a governing body? I thought they had no civil servants but just terrorists? What made you change your mind?

 

[petros]

So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?

One entity two provinces/states.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Has the shooting stopped?

No. Did you expect instant cessation of all shooting before the ink was dry?

 

[petros]

No. Did you expect instant cessation of all shooting before the ink was dry?

So there never was a ceasefire?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?

Depends who you ask. According the the UNO, "Palestine" is a single country consisting of East Palestine (confusingly called the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip or "Gaza." As things currently stand, East Palestine has its shit pretty much together, as things in the ME go. Ham-ass is the party in power in the "provincial" (if you will) province of West Palestine. . . i.e., the Gaza Strip or Gaza. Theoretically, it's subordinate to the national government in Ramallah. Theoretically.

Part of the problem is that we're hopscotching from "deal" to "agreement" with this government, that party, and the other gang of assholes with AK-47s. We need to piss or step back and button up. Palestine is either one country or two. If it's one, Ramallah needs to step in and control Gaza. Otherwise, Gaza needs to be recognized as a separate country from the West Bank and dealt with accordingly.

Israel's approach is pragmatic. It's at relative peace with the West Bank, and like all countries, it has the right to defend itself and its people. The question is whether or not what amounts to occupation of part of Palestine is legitimate defence.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So there never was a ceasefire?

Nope. Hope that satisfies whatever itch you're trying to scratch.

 

[petros]

Nope. Hope that satisfies whatever itch you're trying to scratch.

There never will be.

 

[petros]

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War crimes are cool. Im glad I dont use goofy software to see thousands of such crimes.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?

Correct!

 

[Ron in Regina]

Now Hamas is a governing body? I thought they had no civil servants but just terrorists? What made you change your mind?

Sorry, but that’s your tangent and nobody else’s. Hamas is like a terrorist mafia, and not everyone is the Don or a Bagman, etc…but everyone in is in. You’re the one who’s been trying to draw degrees of inclusion based upon job descriptions or whatever.

 

[petros]

Sorry, but that’s your tangent and nobody else’s. Hamas is like a terrorist mafia, and not everyone is the Don or a Bagman, etc…but everyone in is in. You’re the one who’s been trying to draw degrees of inclusion based upon job descriptions or whatever.

Thr agriculture minister has 30ft missiles in his kitchen, bags of RPG rounds in his closet, a tunnel to China and 3 bowls of porridge with one too hot, ine too cold but another thats just right?

Is the ag minister in al Qassam?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Sorry, but that’s your tangent and nobody else’s. Hamas is like a terrorist mafia, and not everyone is the Don or a Bagman, etc…but everyone in is in. You’re the one who’s been trying to draw degrees of inclusion based upon job descriptions or whatever.

Yep. Think Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland in the bad old days. It was a political party, army of liberation, and terrorist organization all rolled into one.

But they all knew what they were doing, and what their organization was doing.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Thr agriculture minister has 30ft missiles in his kitchen, bags of RPG rounds in his closet, a tunnel to China and 3 bowls of porridge with one too hot, ine too cold but another thats just right?

Is the ag minister in al Qassam?

Sorry, but that’s your tangent and nobody else’s. Hamas is like a terrorist mafia, and not everyone is the Don or a Bagman, etc…but everyone in is in. You’re the one who’s been trying to draw degrees of inclusion based upon job descriptions or whatever.

 

[petros]

In whose reality?