The mystery of sunspots

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I would rather wrangle than be dictated to by the likes of you- You don't like people who wrangle because you cannot win the argument- by the way you are completely wrong about everything as usual- don't bother replying as you will just quote another verse or quatrain that has nothing to do with the real world.

You have taken an attitude; so that man – in such instance – will not receive any idea; therefore such wrangling will be useless; so that whatever argument I may tell you, you will not pay attention to it. Refer to the many replies I replied to you in this thread, when you did only reply: "Who cares?"; that is because neither do you believe in God nor do you believe in the next world.

This is in the Quran 39: 64
قُلْ أَفَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ تَأْمُرُونِّي أَعْبُدُ أَيُّهَا الْجَاهِلُونَ
The explanation: (Say [O Mohammed to the unbelievers]: "Is it, then, to those other than God that you, ignorant men, bid me worship?"


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I do not care, I am not a muslim- That is all I will say about it, you are a liar you try to twist the truth to have serve your selfish needs, as to my beleif in God- that is between me and god.
 

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I do not care, I am not a muslim- That is all I will say about it, you are a liar you try to twist the truth to have serve your selfish needs, as to my beleif in God- that is between me and god.

This has nothing to do with your being a Muslim or not; you said something about the Quran and I answered you; it may be I was selfish, but will my trade will gain much?
Of course, you are right: this is between you and God; I apologize.
 

eanassir

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I offer my apology as well- sometimes things get to heated, I respect your right to your beleifs, so we shall agree to disagree:)

Amigo,:smile:
My apology is only for any mockery or selfishness as you called it, and that I have no right to interfere between man and his God.

Otherwise I believe:
  • In God as One without any associate or equal or son or daughter.
  • In all the apostles of God including Mohammed.
  • In all the heavenly books revealed from God, including the Glorious Quran.
  • In the next world of souls following death.
  • In the Doomsday followed by the Judgment, and in Paradise and Hell.
This is in the Quran 40: 5

كَذَّبَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمُ نُوحٍ وَالْأَحْزَابُ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ وَهَمَّتْ كُلُّ أُمَّةٍ بِرَسُولِهِمْ لِيَأْخُذُوهُ وَجَادَلُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ فَأَخَذْتُهُمْ فَكَيْفَ كَانَ عِقَابِ

The explanation:
(Before them did the people of Noah deny [the messenger],
as did those, after the [people of noah], who rallied [against the messengers of God];
every nation of them intended to overtake their messenger [with hurting, killing or exiling],
and they wrangled by means of falsehood to refute thereby the truth;
so I overtook them [with destruction]; how (terrible) was then My retribution!)


 
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Do as you like, worship however you want, but generalized interperatations of the koran have no meaning in the nature of the universe-You should reserve those for the religion/philosophy thread.
 

eanassir

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Do as you like, worship however you want, but generalized interperatations of the koran have no meaning in the nature of the universe-You should reserve those for the religion/philosophy thread.

It can't be as you say; because half of the Quran is a scientific miracle intermingled with the rest of the Quranic revelations; like this aya 42: 5

تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِن فَوْقِهِنَّ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ أَلَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ

The explanation: (The [gaseous] heavens over the [planets] are about to crack up [because of their attributing sons and daughters to God]; the angels celebrate the praises of their Lord and ask forgiveness [of God] to those [believers, monotheists] who are on the earth; surely, God: He is the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful [to believers.] )

So here He explained that the gaseous layers of the upper atmosphere of each planet are going to be cracked, and their gaseous constituents will mix with each other [as has happened on Venus and as had happened on Mercury before, the latter even lost most of its atmosphere], and the atmosphere of the planet will then return to be a smoke, as was it in its primitive stages of development.
The sky will be cleft

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Venus_Clouds.jpg
(NASA's Pioneer Venus probe captured this image of Venus' perpetual cloud layer in 1979.)​

Then He stated that all this is because they attribute a son [the Arabs attributed daughters] to the Most Gracious; as in this Quranic revelation 19: 90-91

وَقَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحْمَنُ وَلَدًا . لَقَدْ جِئْتُمْ شَيْئًا إِدًّا . تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِنْهُ وَتَنشَقُّ الْأَرْضُ وَتَخِرُّ الْجِبَالُ هَدًّا .أَن دَعَوْا لِلرَّحْمَنِ وَلَدًا .

The explanation:
(And they say: "[God] Most Gracious has begotten a son [or daughters.]"

Indeed, you have advanced a thing most hideous.

Because of that; the skies are about to crack, the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down crushed.

In case they [insist] on attributing a son [or daughters] to the Most Gracious.)

And see the many subjects that I am studying and preparing.


 
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eanassir

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ah, I don't think so- it's more likely you take advances done by the scientific community and twist them to fit your ayat needs.


If the late interpreter whose book I have translated, wanted to twist the meaning to suit the advances of the scientific community (according to your expression), then why would he contradict such scientific claims in many instances, and suggest his corrections?
If your claims were right, then he would twist it to suit all their claims.

Moreover, why should anyone follow any drunken journalist or any addict actor or anyone that flaps the flag of atheism and disbelief, and shouldn't he study the Glorious Quran the word of God, while any man having crossed the middle age and has certainly started the journey to God, why not he should calculate it in a correct way. And God loves those who turn to him and may give him a rank of honor before Him, but He does not like the one who insists on his disbelief and denies the apostles and the heavenly book.

This is in the Quran 47: 14

أَفَمَن كَانَ عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّهِ كَمَن زُيِّنَ لَهُ سُوءُ عَمَلِهِ وَاتَّبَعُوا أَهْوَاءهُمْ

The explanation: ([Do you think that] one [: Mohammed] who rests on a clear evidence [: the Quran] from his Lord, as one [: Abu-Jahl, the adversary of Mohammed] whose bad work has been made fair-seeming to him [by Satan], and they follow their vain desires [in addition to following Abu-Jahl.] )


 

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Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″.

2 06 2008
From the “I hope to God they are flat wrong department”, here is the abstract of a short paper on recent solar trends by William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson. It was sent to me by reader Mike Ward.
I previously highlighted a news story on this paper on May 21st, but didn’t have the actual paper until now. If anyone has an update to this paper, which uses data up to 2005, please use the comment form to advise.
Here is the complete paper, and below are some excerpts:
Abstract: We have observed spectroscopic changes in temperature sensitive molecular lines, in the magnetic splitting of an Fe I line, and in the continuum brightness of over 1000 sunspot umbrae from 1990-2005. All three measurements show consistent trends in which the darkest parts of the sunspot umbra have become warmer (45K per year) and their magnetic field strengths have decreased (77 Gauss per year), independently of the normal 11-year sunspot cycle. A linear extrapolation of these trends suggests that few sunspots will be visible after 2015.

From: Watts up with that?
 

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The Deniers: Our spotless sun
Posted: May 31, 2008, 3:07 AM by NP Editor Lawrence Solomon, With the debate focused on a warming Earth, the icy consequences of a cooler future have not been considered


By Lawrence Solomon
You probably haven’t heard much of Solar Cycle 24, the current cycle that our sun has entered, and I hope you don’t. If Solar Cycle 24 becomes a household term, your lifestyle could be taking a dramatic turn for the worse. That of your children and their children could fare worse still, say some scientists, because Solar Cycle 24 could mark a time of profound long-term change in the climate. As put by geophysicist Philip Chapman, a former NASA astronaut-scientist and former president of the National Space Society, “It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age.”
The sun, of late, is remarkably free of eruptions: It has lost its spots. By this point in the solar cycle, sunspots would ordinarily have been present in goodly numbers. Today’s spotlessness — what alarms Dr. Chapman and others — may be an anomaly of some kind, and the sun may soon revert to form. But if it doesn’t – and with each passing day, the speculation in the scientific community grows that it will not – we could be entering a new epoch that few would welcome.
Sunspots have been well documented throughout human history, starting in the fourth century BC, with written descriptions by Gan De, a Chinese astronomer. In 1128, an English monk, John of Worcester, was the first person known to have drawn sunspots, and after the telescope’s arrival in the early 1600s, observations and drawings became commonplace, including by such luminaries as Galileo Galilei. Then, to the astonishment of astronomers, they saw the sunspots diminish and die out altogether.
This was the case during the Little Ice Age, a period starting in the 15th or 16th century and lasting centuries, says NASA’s Goddard Space Centre, which links the absence of sunspots to the cold that then descended on Earth. During the coldest part of the Little Ice Age, a time known as the Maunder Minimum (named after English astronomer Edward Maunder), astronomers saw only about 50 sunspots over a 30-year period, less than one half of 1% of the sunspots that would normally have been expected. Other Minimums — times of low sunspot activity — also corresponded to times of unusual cold.
The consequences of the Little Ice Age, because they occurred in relatively recent times, have come down to us through literature and the arts as well as from historians and scientists, government and business records. When Shakespeare wrote of “lawn as white as driven snow,” he had first-hand experience – Europe was bitterly cold in his day, a sharp contrast to the very warm weather that preceded his birth. During the Little Ice Age, the River Thames froze over, the Dutch developed the ice skate and the great artists of the day learned to love a new genre: the winter landscape.
In what had been a warm Europe , adaptations were not all happy: Growing seasons in England and Continental Europe generally became short and unreliable, which led to shortages and famine. These hardships were nothing compared to the more northerly countries: Glaciers advanced rapidly in Greenland, Iceland, Scandinavia and North America, making vast tracts of land uninhabitable. The Arctic pack ice extended so far south that several reports describe Eskimos landing their kayaks in Scotland. Finland’s population fell by one-third, Iceland’s by half, the Viking colonies in Greenland were abandoned altogether, as were many Inuit communities. The cold in North America spread so far south that, in the winter of 1780, New York Harbor froze, enabling people to walk from Manhattan to Staten Island.
In the same way that the Earth shivered when sunspots disappeared, the Earth warmed when sunspot activity became pronounced. The warm period about 1000 years ago known as the Medieval Warm Period — a time of bounty in which grapes grew in England and Greenland was colonized — also was a time of high sunspot activity, called the Medieval Maximum. Since 1900, Earth has experienced what astronomers call “the Modern Maximum” — the 20th century has again been a time of high sunspot activity.
But the 1900s are gone, along with the high temperatures that accompanied them. The last 10 years have seen no increase in temperatures — they reached a plateau and then remained there — and the last year saw a precipitous decline. How much lower and for how long the temperatures will fall, if at all, no one yet knows — the science is far from settled on what drives climate.
But many are watching the sun for answers, and for good reason. Several renowned scientists have been predicting for some time that the world could enter a period of cooling right around now, with consequences that could be dire. “The next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do,” believes Dr. Chapman. “There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the U.S. and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.”
We are now at the beginning of Solar Cycle 24, so named because it is the 24th consecutive cycle that astronomers have listed, starting with the first cycle that began in March, 1755, and ended in June, 1766. Each cycle lasts an average of approximately 11 years; each is marked by sunspots that first erupt in the mid latitudes of the sun, and then, over the course of the 11 years, erupt progressively toward the sun’s equator; each is marked by a change in the polarity of the sun’s hemispheres; each changes the temperature on Earth in ways that humans don’t fully understand, but cannot in all honesty deny.
 

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Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″.

2 06 2008
From the “I hope to God they are flat wrong department”, here is the abstract of a short paper on recent solar trends by William Livingston and Matthew Penn of the National Solar Observatory in Tucson. It was sent to me by reader Mike Ward.
I previously highlighted a news story on this paper on May 21st, but didn’t have the actual paper until now. If anyone has an update to this paper, which uses data up to 2005, please use the comment form to advise.



Here is the complete paper, and below are some excerpts:
Abstract: We have observed spectroscopic changes in temperature sensitive molecular lines, in the magnetic splitting of an Fe I line, and in the continuum brightness of over 1000 sunspot umbrae from 1990-2005. All three measurements show consistent trends in which the darkest parts of the sunspot umbra have become warmer (45K per year) and their magnetic field strengths have decreased (77 Gauss per year), independently of the normal 11-year sunspot cycle. A linear extrapolation of these trends suggests that few sunspots will be visible after 2015.​
From: Watts up with that?

There some general and local factors influencing the weather:
The general:
The appearance of sunspots will cause much heat and electromagnetic disturbances on Earth.
The Earth getting somewhat nearer to the Sun: this will increase the heat on the surface of the Earth.

The local:
Eruption of some volcanoes.
The greenhouse effect.
The dust storms and the amount of rain.

Other factors:
Alteration of the axis of the earth may cause some selective and regional change.

Comments:
It is not only the sunspots that influence the general heat on earth; there are many factors. So if the sunspot is not detected, it will not necessarily indicate there will be an ice-age.

Moreover, in case the story of the sunspot cycle is true, the spots may not be present all over the 11 years of the cycle.

The earth has approached the sun with some miles – this will lead to increase in the heat on earth surface.

While the inside of the earth is gradually loosing its heat; and this will cause the earth to get more and more nearer to the sun.

Certainly, the sun is undergoing some changes in its structure and heat; its heat (although its heat is tremendous) may have become less than before.

The mass of the sun increases by time because of the large number of celestial rocks meteorites and dust that it gravitates and swallows during all its life. (The earth has some 40 thousand tons of rocks and dust which fall daily on it; then how much of such rocks and dust do fall on the sun?)

On the other hand: when the sun looses its heat by time, its volume will decrease, and it will contract and become smaller than before.

It appears that the sun is in its terminal stages; but this will take time of course, until it will acquire the thin crust that will lead to its generalized explosion (of Doomsday).
The sun will burst



 
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Sun Goes Longer Than Normal Without Producing Sunspots

ScienceDaily (Jun. 9, 2008) — The sun has been lying low for the past couple of years, producing no sunspots and giving a break to satellites.
That's good news for people who scramble when space weather interferes with their technology, but it became a point of discussion for the scientists who attended an international solar conference at Montana State University. Approximately 100 scientists from Europe, Asia, Latin America, Africa and North America gathered June 1-6 to talk about "Solar Variability, Earth's Climate and the Space Environment."
The scientists said periods of inactivity are normal for the sun, but this period has gone on longer than usual.
"It continues to be dead," said Saku Tsuneta with the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan, program manager for the Hinode solar mission. "That's a small concern, a very small concern."
The Hinode satellite is a Japanese mission with the United States and United Kingdom as partners. The satellite carries three telescopes that together show how changes on the sun's surface spread through the solar atmosphere. MSU researchers are among those operating the X-ray telescope. The satellite orbits 431 miles above ground, crossing both poles and making one lap every 95 minutes, giving Hinode an uninterrupted view of the sun for several months out of the year.
Dana Longcope, a solar physicist at MSU, said the sun usually operates on an 11-year cycle with maximum activity occurring in the middle of the cycle. Minimum activity generally occurs as the cycles change. Solar activity refers to phenomena like sunspots, solar flares and solar eruptions. Together, they create the weather than can disrupt satellites in space and technology on earth.
The last cycle reached its peak in 2001 and is believed to be just ending now, Longcope said. The next cycle is just beginning and is expected to reach its peak sometime around 2012. Today's sun, however, is as inactive as it was two years ago, and scientists aren't sure why.
"It's a dead face," Tsuneta said of the sun's appearance.
Tsuneta said solar physicists aren't like weather forecasters; They can't predict the future. They do have the ability to observe, however, and they have observed a longer-than-normal period of solar inactivity. In the past, they observed that the sun once went 50 years without producing sunspots. That period, from approximately 1650 to 1700, occurred during the middle of a little ice age on Earth that lasted from as early as the mid-15th century to as late as the mid-19th century.
 

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Sun Goes Longer Than Normal Without Producing Sunspots

ScienceDaily (Jun. 9, 2008) — The sun has been lying low for the past couple of years, producing no sunspots and giving a break to satellites.
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This indeed is some useful and valuable information.

And these points are worth mentioning also:
  • The sunspots cycles are not regular; i.e. they thought about such cycles; but it may not be true that really there are such cycles.
  • If the sunspots (resulting from the falling down of some meteorites on the sun); if such rocks fall near the polar region of the sun, will they appear in the same way as in the equatorial region of the sun?
  • The sunspots inclination to the equatorial region of the sun may be due to some centrifugal effect.
  • The light scattering from the falling of such objects on the sun, will be more than the actual size of the falling object.
  • There has been some change in the structure and the heat of the solar body itself.
 

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Cycle 24, where are you? (Sung to the theme of Car 54.)

Walter,
What do you think about the latest news of the north polar region without ice this summer?
What is the cause of the recent heat wave in many countries?
While the sunactivity is quiet now, as they say!