The marriage "Saviours"

Recidivism

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It seems like it's more of a seperation of church and state issue to me. I think the reason this is really an issue at all is because Canada, along with other parts of the world, have come to a point in history where we are living under an old system of government that is based in religion yet society has evolved beyond that.

Marriage, as a legal union between two consenting adults, is definitely engrained in society. But the rules of marriage, as set forth by the Church aren't relevent anymore. I mean the church says divorce, masterbation, contraceptives, and gay marriage is condoned but all Western Society hears is 'Gay Marriage is Evil'. I think it's so hypocritical that politicians or extreme religous groups can preach how immoral Homosexuality is when they have participated in things condoned by the Church with the same fervor.

They should just not call it marriage for anybody, and call it a union or some cuter name.
 

LadyC

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recidivism said:
But the rules of marriage, as set forth by the Church aren't relevent anymore. I mean the church says divorce, masterbation, contraceptives, and gay marriage is condoned but all Western Society hears is 'Gay Marriage is Evil'.
Are you sure condoned is the word you're going for? I'm not really sure, because given the rest of your post it appears you think the church condemns the activities you mentioned.

However.... which one is "the Church"? There are several to choose from, and mine doesn't condemn divorce, masturbation, contraceptives, nor even gay marriage.
 

Recidivism

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Oops yeah, i meant condemn lol.

When I say Church I mean Catholics I guess. My point wasn't really that a religion should or shouldn't marry Gay couples, it was more that the government shouldn't use a Religous definition like marriage when describing legal rights.
 

LadyC

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I agree. I'm leaning toward having the government get out of the marrying business completely. Already there's little or no difference between someone legally married and a couple living common-law.

Marriages should be done in churches. Civil unions, whether same-sex or hetero, can be done for legal purposes.

And then people can call them whatever they want, if it's that important to them.
 

LadyC

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Recidivism said:
Yeah, I guess Marriage just sounds sexier than Civil Union.
And has way better rhymes, too.

Love and marriage,
Love and marriage,
Go together like a horse and carriage.....

That's all I remember. It's been a while since I saw Married..... With Children. :D
 

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Maybe all marriages should be performed by the State, that way the churches could get on with minding their own business. See I agree that the Church has the right to inform or brainwash their members into believing in spirits and all kinds of crap. However if something is not in the criminal code the curches should not be pushing their beliefs down peoples throats. Yes they have the right to speak out, but they do not have the right to insist theirs is the only agenda the nation should follow.
I do not go to church, although I was brought up Catholic.
I have gone to several churches and found the same thing, its more about politics than it is about God, or religion. Nope I prefere to think for myself and make my own decisions about how I view the world.
The religious groups have a very narrow little window, to look out of and see the world, most are so narrow minded I'm surprised they know the world is round.
 

MMMike

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no1important said:
Churches will not be forced to do SSM even though some (the more progressive ones) do and it their choice.

Maybe not, but I can see a challenge to their 'charititable orgarnization' status.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: The marriage "Saviour

I've seen that rumour four or five times now MMMikey. Which Conservative is trying to spread fear and untruth this time? Or is just in one of their latest talking point pamphlets?
 

damngrumpy

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Whether its marriage or anything else why is it that a religion can hide behind, "freedom of religion" to get around being subject to the laws of the land?
Churches don't have to perform gay marriages. Yet the law states that all Canadians are equal under the law.
Why should someone who is gay be denide the same treatment as any other Canadian? Freedom of religion plays a role here. If someone is a Christian, or Buddist, or whatever, should they not have equal access to God?
The courts should be asked, if freedom of religion truly exists why then can't gays be married in the church most associated with their beliefs? These churches are always crying fowl, about their rights when it comes to freedom of religion, yet when it comes to gay marriage these same folks deny that freedom to others.
I personally don't know too much about the gay issue.
As an old guy with l8 you got it right l8 grandkids, I don't know why some one would be gay, but in a democracy that is their right.
If gays get the right to use the word marriage its no skin off my nose, and it doesn't lesson the institutiion what so ever. Conservatives are always looking at the dark side of everything. The see, evil in the Lion King, and teletubbies and of course elmo is purple.
Good God they should be happy that these folks want to get married at all. When faced with silly conservative views from the dark ages, I just tell them to get a life.
Marriage should not be left in the hands of religion, come to think of it nothing should be left in the hands of religion. Everytime religion gains political power, the world goes to hell in a hand basket.
 

WarHawk

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Funny, I thought homosexuals already had their rights with sodomy being legal and all.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: The marriage "Saviour

Don't start your shit here, Warhawk. I've seen your hatred and bigotry elsewhere. Seems to me you were banned from there.