The marriage "Saviours"

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badboy

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Reverend Blair said:
I'm talking about your propensity for trolling instead of discussion.
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I've already done one Thesis, I'm not doing another to make my point on this subject. The first one I did gave me some letters and a very good job, this one would just get ripped by the left on this site. I see no benefit to me, so forget it.

Let Canada vote on this. That would be the best solution.
 
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badboy

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Re: RE: The marriage "Saviour

Reverend Blair said:
The best solution is to ensure that everybody has equal rights.

Who'd you get that job with, Tommy Flanagan?
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"everybody" That should start a shitstorm of posts. Too bad I don't have time to straighten you out tonight.
 
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I don't think andem noticed this thread was locked, so by request I will unlock it and pm him about the situation with badboy. There are moderators around to delete his messages if he starts trolling this thread again. Some people want a real discussion here, so try to remember what mama said..try and be polite about it. :p
 
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crit13 said:
You bet, dumbass...
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I would respond in kind but I would just be banned.

Must be nice to be sitting on that side of the fence.

I feel like a black man in the 50's.
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Well, you shouldn't. Canadian Content was designed for people to voice their opinions, it's just when it gets to name-calling and harassment that things become moderated.

You lot make such a big deal about something when you've broken the rules and your posts are edited or deleted. You're lucky that it's just edited, by the way. Most forums will just delete threads that are breaking some kind of rule.



So a big notice to anybody who cares: Don't post in threads unless you have something that goes with the current discussion at hand. Trolling is not tolerated and I will take action to keep these forums clean. Bottom line.


Edit: Let's get this discussion back on topic.
 
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Chake99

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Let's get rolling:

Wouldn't it be easiest to legalize marriage between two people of either genders and then make the legal term something like "civil union?" Its completely equal, and doesn't offend people who prefer the term marriage between a man and a women.
(I am unaware if my tenses are correct as I am not completely sure of the current situation)

However what individual couples call themselves if completely up to them; a gay couple could say they were married if they wanted to.
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: The marriage "Saviour

The current legal term is marriage. The opposition to changing it is coming from people who have nothing to stand on but their own religious peculiarities. We practice separation of church and state in this country.

It's marriage, call it marriage.
 
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Chake99

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Re: RE: The marriage "Saviour

Reverend Blair said:
The current legal term is marriage. The opposition to changing it is coming from people who have nothing to stand on but their own religious peculiarities. We practice separation of church and state in this country.

It's marriage, call it marriage.
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I highly doubt it was first a legal term but a christian term. (and don't mention pre-christianity english "marriages," pre-christianity would be when old english was used; pre any latin vocab, which is almost unintelligible today.)

And if we are not going to use their definition common courtesy would demand that we do not use their term.

Besides if we excercise as much a seperation of church and state as you say wouldn't it make sense if the state didn't borrow terms from the church?
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: The marriage "Saviour

It is not a religious term, nor is the concept of marriage a religious concept. Neither the term nor the concept have any basis in Christianity because we know that they pre-date Christianity. If you can prove otherwise, please do so.

I repeat it's marriage, call it marriage.
 
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Chake99

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1297, from O.Fr. mariage (12c.), from V.L. *maritaticum, from L. maritatus, pp. of maritatre "to wed, marry, give in marriage" (see marry).
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I am not saying the concept doesn't predate Christianity, but if we are using the term marriage we might as well use the Christian concept with it.

The quote is from the Online Etymology dictionary at
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=marriage&searchmode=none

Its proof the english word Marriage was invented when Christianity was dominant and thus would be applied to Christian marriages.

The english word (not the latin one) marriage predates doesn't predate christianity happy?

And besides what is wrong with the legal term simply changing, it is completely fair to both parties.
 
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Marriage has always been far more legal than religious, and therefore should be considered a secular word. Marriage, even after the advent of Christianity was a legal contract between the father of the bride, and the would be husband. Some cultures still have a tradition of providing a dowry.

That the Christians have claimed ownership over the word and custom is not suprising, they've bastardized pretty much every custom that is in observance today...
 
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Reverend Blair

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RE: The marriage "Saviour

Now that we've settled the false claims to the insititution being claimed by the Christian right, can we just let people get married?

The very worst that can come of it is that fewer kids will waste time conjecturing about their maiden aunts and bachelor uncles. I thought conservatives were all for efficiency...
 
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