The Improbability of God

[Dexter Sinister]

... This is in the Quran 51: 8...

Do you ever have any thoughts that aren't in the Quran, any original thoughts of your own? You've made well over 1400 posts here, I think I've read most of them, and I don't think I've seen more than one or two that don't cite the Quran at least once. Is the Quran really all you think about? You no more know that it's true than I do, you've simply decided it's true, probably because that's what you were brought up to believe, and haven't really thought about it critically. Everything you write and think about is torqued around to be consistent with it, or Al Hilly's naive interpretation of it, even when it's obvious nonsense like all the junk science you've posted here.

Are you even capable of understanding that you cannot possibly be right unless the whole corpus of modern science is egregiously wrong? And have you any idea of the massive arrogance and ignorance that requires? You're the kind of person who'd burn down a great library on the grounds reportedly offered by Caliph Umar in 642 regarding the library at Alexandria: if the books are consistent with the Quran they're redundant, if they're not they're heresy, so burn them all. That story's probably not true, but the attitude is real, and you've got it.

 

[eanassir]

Dexter said: "Do you ever have any thoughts that aren't in the Quran, any original thoughts of your own? ..."


Do you know what this Quran that you speak about is? You said: it is silly! Glory be to God Almighty!

Imam Ali – salam be to him – said about the Quran:
“It is marvelous: its wonders do not finish; its high part is fruitful (like a good tree), and its lower part is very advantageous; and it isn’t in any way the word of any human being.”

What they say about the Quran as silly and as bad words, is nothing more than lies and ignorance.

Some of them read the translations which are defective, but eventhough such translations may give a lot for the just man who has no purpose other than seeking after the truth.

And about the Al-Hilly: very few indeed that followed his words and believed; eventhough a large number of people admired his interpretation. I tell you that even the Muslims : most of them – excepting very few may be – they did not believe in his revealed interpretation; because it is a matter of guidance, just like that most of you do not believe. [The guidance is only up to God alone].

The reason that made the Quran come in summary and in concise volume:
1- Because the Arab considered such concise words and summary as part of the eloquence. God challenged them to bring about something similar to it in eloquence, and they couldn’t do that.

2- The Quran includes many puzzles, like some abbreviated letters at the start of many of the Quranic soorahs. God challenged the Arab (who were smart at solving the puzzles, and it was part of their custom to speak in puzzles) and they could not solve such puzzles until He inspired Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly to solve such puzzles in the year 1947.

3- The Quran is dynamic and alive that is applicable in all ages and situations.

4- It includes parables, proofs, evidences and arguments to many problems.

5- It includes the law that rules people in every aspect of their prayers, fasting, Zakat-alms, pilgrimage to Mecca, jihad for the cause of God, punishment of the crimes, the inheritance of the wealth, marriage and divorce, adoption, instructions for various behaviors, …etc.

6- The Quran tells about the next afterlife, the Judgment, and it describes Paradise and Hell in detailed way to the extent that their discourse is mentioned, and the wrangling of the people of Hell, …etc.

7- It tells the stories of the prophets and apostles and the past nations.

8- The Quran includes a large number of ayat about the universe and nature, in an unprecendented way.

9- It includes many foretelling about the future.

10- It includes the description of the portents of Doomsday, and how this Doomsday will occur.

11- And more and more and more… in this summarized book of wisdom and guidance to the pure monotheism and exclusive devotion to God alone and confirming the past heavenly books and the Ten Commandments in particular…etc. etc.

12- It describes the world of souls, describes the genie or demon, the angel and the devil.

13- It is a cure for many psychological conditions [and other conditions] that face the believers in their life:
This is in the Quran 17: 82

وَنُنَزِّلُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ مَا هُوَ شِفَاءٌ وَرَحْمَةٌٌ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَلاَ يَزِيدُ الظَّالِمِينَ إَلاَّ خَسَارًا​

The explanation:
(And We reveal of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy for believers,
but wrong-doers it only increases their loss.)

All this and more in this summarized heavenly unique book.
Read the preface of the book: (The conflict between the Torah and the Quran)
quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#preface
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#preface

 

[talloola]

Dexter said: "Do you ever have any thoughts that aren't in the Quran, any original thoughts of your own? ..."

All this and more in this summarized heavenly unique book.
Read the preface of the book: (The conflict between the Torah and the Quran)
quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#preface
[URL]http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#preface[/URL]

You must understand more than any other, how twins, (who are physically
joined together) really feel,
as you are joined to that book 'emotionally', as they are 'physically'.
Did your god really want you 'not' to have any thought of your own? I don't
think so, as if there was a god, i'm sure he would be like a parent, and
be proud of those who didn't cling to him, but survived with his/her own
thought process, and showed only respect and love for him.

 

[eanassir]

Do you ever have any thoughts that aren't in the Quran, any original thoughts of your own?

Tell us any of your thoughts of your own.

 

[talloola]

10- It includes the description of the portents of Doomsday, and how this Doomsday will occur.

The explanation:
(And We reveal of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy for believers,
but wrong-doers it only increases their loss.)

Do you think 'everyday' about 'not' going to hell when you die. Do you make sure
you behave in a certain way 'everyday' to keep you in the good books.
And, if you do 'screw' up, how do you get back on track.

 

[eanassir]

Do you think 'everyday' about 'not' going to hell when you die. Do you make sure
you behave in a certain way 'everyday' to keep you in the good books.
And, if you do 'screw' up, how do you get back on track.

No one can guaranty for himself or for anyone else, that he will certainly go to Paradise; but we hope to go there, and this can only be achieved according to the favor and grace of God.

Prophet Mohammed was asked the same question, and he answered that in such a way, and he said that this is no exception that all people – including himself – will not go to Paradise unless according to favor and mercy of God.

Solomon, with all his great kingdom and riches, said a similar thing; this is in the Quran 27: 19​

وَقَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِي أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيَّ وَعَلَى وَالِدَيَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَالِحًا تَرْضَاهُ وَأَدْخِلْنِي بِرَحْمَتِكَ فِي عِبَادِكَ الصَّالِحِينَ​

The explanation:
(And [Solomon] said:
"My Lord, inspire me to be grateful for Your favor wherewith You have favored me and my parents,
and [inspire me] to do righteous [work] that shall be pleasing to You, ​

and - according to Your mercy – admit me [into Paradise] amongst Your righteous servants.")​

man-after-death.t35.com
http://man-after-death.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

both Bible and Koran are ambiguous books, they say contradictory things at the same time, so that a person may find support to his prejudices, biases in them, no matter however bizarre.

Indeed, their ambiguity, amorphousness is the very reason why they are so popular, why they are accepted by more than a billion people each.​

The ambiguous ayat of the Quran​

The Quran divides into two categories of ayat (or revelations):
This is in the aya 3: 7​

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ​

The explanation:
([God] is He Who has revealed to you [Mohammed] the Book [: the Quran] some of which being 'precise' aya's; they are the essence of the Book, [whereas] others being 'similitudes'. ​

But those, in whose hearts is a deviation [from the truth]; these follow the 'similitudes' therein:
>> seeking to seduce [people and turn them away],
>> and seeking to interpret it. ​

But none but God [only] does know its interpretation;
those – having sure knowledge – say: "We have believed in it: each [of the 'precise' and the 'similitudes'] being from our Lord." ​

Surely, none may accept admonition save men having discerning hearts.)​

First: The Muhkam: The precise and straightforward ayat: which are plain. This category constitutes the essence or the primary part of the Book. Such ayat are the ayat of the rites and statements: commanding the prayer, the fasting …etc.
Example of the plain ayat of the Quran 24: 56​

وَأَقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتُواْ الزَّكَاةَ​

The explanation:
([Believers] Perform the prayer and give the Zakat [-alms])​

Second: The Mutashabih: The ambiguous ayat, which needs interpretation. This category constitutes a large number of ayat:
like the abbreviated letters at the beginning of many soorah(s) or chapters,
and like many other ayat speaking about the portents of Doomsday, and many other aspects; these ambiguous ayat are only known by God alone, and He will explain them in the Last Days our present time) ​

Example of the ambiguous ayat of the Quran 2: 174​

أُولَئِكَ مَا يَأْكُلُونَ فِي بُطُونِهِمْ إِلاَّ النَّارَ​

The explanation:
(They [will] eat in their bellies nothing but fire.)​

The idolaters objected to this aya, and said mocking: Does man eat with his mouth or with his belly (or abdomen or stomach)!?​

While this aya indicates the punishment of disbelievers: their ethereal souls in Fire on Doomsday; and the flames of the fire go through their ethereal souls and reach their stomach and other parts of their bellies.​

 

[eanassir]

both Bible and Koran are ambiguous books, they say contradictory things at the same time, so that a person may find support to his prejudices, biases in them, no matter however bizarre.

Indeed, their ambiguity, amorphousness is the very reason why they are so popular, why they are accepted by more than a billion people each.​

The implication of the ambiguous ayat​

Many of people believed by means of the plain ayat, and were guided; while on other hand many of people disbelieved by means of the ambiguous ayat and they were thus misguided.​

I.e. the believers followed the plain ayat which they understood, and thus were guided and were saved.
While the disbelievers followed the ambiguous ayat which none but God knows their meaning, and so they were misguided and they lost.​

This is in the Quran 2: 26​

إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَسْتَحْيِي أَن يَضْرِبَ مَثَلاً مَّا بَعُوضَةً فَمَا فَوْقَهَا فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فَيَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فَيَقُولُونَ مَاذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ بِهَذَا مَثَلاً يُضِلُّ بِهِ كَثِيراً وَيَهْدِي بِهِ كَثِيراً وَمَا يُضِلُّ بِهِ إِلاَّ الْفَاسِقِينَ​

The explanation:​

(Surely God is not ashamed to give an example, whatsoever even of a gnat and anything superior to it. ​

>> As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord; ​

>> but as for those who disbelieve, they say: 'What is it that God means by this as an example? [so that He gives parables by some insects like the housefly and the spider ...etc.]​

He misleads many thereby and thereby guides many; He misleads only evildoers thereby.) ​

The interpretation:
He misleads many of people by means of the ambiguous ayat, and He guides many of them by the plain ayat. And in fact He only misleads the wrong-doer and disobedient.​

 

[Scott Free]

Wow eanassir, your parents really did a number on you.

 

[Spade]

Crikey! Another MoonDay!

 

[Spade]

Goddess Kali Ma

 

[Scott Free]

I know she's blue but I think she would make one hell of a good porno!

 

[Spade]

I know she's blue but I think she would make one hell of a good porno!

The four hands of heaven!

 

[Scott Free]

Goldfingers!

 

[Scott Free]

Watch as the holy Kali and her amazing fists of fury rip start four blasphemers and make believers of them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I know she's blue but I think she would make one hell of a good porno!

Funny you should mention that. I remember seeing a while ago an advertisement by a dominatrix (it popped up on my browser al of a sudden), she called herself Princess Kali.

Now, I have known for a long time that Kali is a Hindu Goddess (she is a female form of the God Shiva or Mahesh, one of the Gods of Hindu Trinity).

But I had no idea that pornographers were so knowledgeable and so innovative. If you Google for ‘princess kali’, you probably will find her website.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yep, i just tried it. Google for 'princess kali' and the first page only lists her website.

 

[Scott Free]

But I had no idea that pornographers were so knowledgeable and so innovative.

God must have given us all this brain power to do something. I can't imagine any better reason than to make good porn. I expect god is up there in heaven rubbing one out right now.

He was probably in heaven, feeling horny, and watching dinosaurs screwing wasn't doing it for him anymore. He needed creatures that could be inventive. So he wiped the whole planet clean and created monkeys. Eventually, because gods kind of an idiot, he thought to make man - the greatest and most creative f**kers. We better put on a good show, by god! our very lives might depend on it!

 

[eanassir]

both Bible and Koran are ambiguous books

The interpretation of the ambiguous ayat

The reason why God revealed the ambiguous ayat of the Quran is that Mohammed's people denied the Quran as revealed from God Almighty;

so He challenged them to bring about something (even one aya) similar to the Quran eloquence, but they couldn't;
and He challenged them also to solve its puzzles, and explain its mysterious ayat, and they couldn't do that.

Then God promised to explain about the solution of such puzzles and explain to them the mysterious ayat after a long period of time; as in the aya 38: 88
وَلَتَعْلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُ بَعْدَ حِينٍ
The explanation:
(And you [people] shall surely come to know, after a time, the truth thereof.)

And God said in the Quran 75: 19
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ
The explanation:
(Then, [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people.])

Then, God fulfilled His promise, and inspired into the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly the interpretation of these ambiguous ayat, which none but God knows.

I have translated some of the books of the interpreter and put some of that at our sites

universeandquran.t35.com
ÕÝÍÉ ÌÏíÏÉ 1

man-after-death.t35.com
Man after Death

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
The Disagreement of the

And by God's will, I may translate the book "The interpretation of the revelation" which will refute the claims of the atheist and associater who associate Jesus, some prophets and imams together with the Creator, and will disprove many confusions that they deliberately say about the Glorious Quran, and they have cited all that on many sites on the internet.

 

[china]

The Improbability of God.....

God is as improbable as YOU are...!