The Gomery Inquiry on Sponsorship Scandals
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There are so many choices to choose from my friend. Don't think for a minute it's one or the other. Last election 26 parties ran... but most folks only think of 2 (or 4). Vote independant if you feel strongly enough. If you don't vote for crooks they don't get in!
Cheers!
insignificant said:
There are so many choices to choose from my friend. Don't think for a minute it's one or the other. Last election 26 parties ran... but most folks only think of 2 (or 4). Vote independant if you feel strongly enough. If you don't vote for crooks they don't get in!
Cheers!
It's not just Chretien and the Liberals. Mulroney had cabinet ministers doing weekends in jail. He had his own little advertising scandal too. Chuck Guite was hip-deep in that as well.
We have a system that rewards criminality, encourages hypocrisy, and promotes incompetence. Voting for either of the two parties who benefit from that is not going to bring about change.
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La Commission Gomery, followed by Incredibly poor leadership skills showed by Charest, added with the fall of the Martin goverment replaced by the Conservatives, and Duceppe takin leadership of the PQ = We winning a referendum with a large majority.
Lets face it, the only one that maneged to keep this country together (Threw fraud and corruption, though this was only a minor factor that only blew our slim majority vote) was Chretien. He was casrismatic, and appealled to all the soft seperatist with his media campaign against seperatist.
But he is gone. Even if Martin is the one to fight a referendum, he won't be able too. If the conservatives are in power, we win. No contest at all.
We shall have our country. I thought the dream was dead just a few years ago. But now the passion for the cause is back in my heart. And I see that same passion burning in most of my generation. Something I've never seen. With every Charest screw up, and every Gomery Commision revelation, the dreams seems closer and closer.
Notre pays, va voir le jour.
Vive le Québec libre.
La Commission Gomery, followed by Incredibly poor leadership skills showed by Charest, added with the fall of the Martin goverment replaced by the Conservatives, and Duceppe takin leadership of the PQ = We winning a referendum with a large majority.
Lets face it, the only one that maneged to keep this country together (Threw fraud and corruption, though this was only a minor factor that only blew our slim majority vote) was Chretien. He was casrismatic, and appealled to all the soft seperatist with his media campaign against seperatist.
But he is gone. Even if Martin is the one to fight a referendum, he won't be able too. If the conservatives are in power, we win. No contest at all.
We shall have our country. I thought the dream was dead just a few years ago. But now the passion for the cause is back in my heart. And I see that same passion burning in most of my generation. Something I've never seen. With every Charest screw up, and every Gomery Commision revelation, the dreams seems closer and closer.
Notre pays, va voir le jour.
Vive le Québec libre.
Hey - I am all for provincial automony in certain areas and applaude Quebecers for wanting the same. There is no shame in wanting Provincial controls, especially on things that are provincial matters (such as health care for example).
I gotta disagree with your ascertion however that Quebecers will be better off with Canada, especially Alberta and Ontario who actually fund the provincial coffers of every other province in this country in order to provide equalization of services. I don't see how going out on your own is going to put you and the other people of Quebec in a better postion. Perhaps you can share your thoughts on this.
I gotta disagree with your ascertion however that Quebecers will be better off with Canada, especially Alberta and Ontario who actually fund the provincial coffers of every other province in this country in order to provide equalization of services. I don't see how going out on your own is going to put you and the other people of Quebec in a better postion. Perhaps you can share your thoughts on this.
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We do, provide 1/5 th of Canada's total gdp. That for 1/5 of the population. So, on our own, I dont see how we could be worse off. We pay everything twice. We already have a duplicate in place for half the Federal services. We would actually be saving money by splitting our own way.
Though as you said in the first part, Provincial Autonomy is the solution to Canadian Unity. We need strong provincial goverments and a loose Federal Goverment. Its the only solutiong that I see fit (And alot of my coleagues in the PQ and BQ share my point of view). But apparently, most of Canada doesnt share that view. And they will never share it. Fresh ideas from seperatist are shunned upon, thanks to the fear campaign of the liberals.
Aizlynne said:
We do, provide 1/5 th of Canada's total gdp. That for 1/5 of the population. So, on our own, I dont see how we could be worse off. We pay everything twice. We already have a duplicate in place for half the Federal services. We would actually be saving money by splitting our own way.
Though as you said in the first part, Provincial Autonomy is the solution to Canadian Unity. We need strong provincial goverments and a loose Federal Goverment. Its the only solutiong that I see fit (And alot of my coleagues in the PQ and BQ share my point of view). But apparently, most of Canada doesnt share that view. And they will never share it. Fresh ideas from seperatist are shunned upon, thanks to the fear campaign of the liberals.
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If you can get enough support for it, then go ahead. Be my guest.
insignificant said:
If you can get enough support for it, then go ahead. Be my guest.
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There has never been a large grass root movement to seperate. Rumbling yes but nothing serious. However that could easily change if the "right person" decided to push it. Someone with Flare, who is Flamboyant, good talker etc. It won't happen in my lifetime nor should it. We should stop our petty grumblings and work together to make a better country.
There has never been a large grass root movement to seperate. Rumbling yes but nothing serious. However that could easily change if the "right person" decided to push it. Someone with Flare, who is Flamboyant, good talker etc. It won't happen in my lifetime nor should it. We should stop our petty grumblings and work together to make a better country.
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A René Levesque of British Columbie to be precise
no1important said:
A René Levesque of British Columbie to be precise
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what fear campaign? Such a fear campaign would have to be national but here in Ontario I have no clue what you are talking about.Numure said:
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or maybe because seperating while the Prime Minister is Quebecois would seem extremely weird. "We are not getting enough of a voice in the government, despite the fact the Prime Minister of the country is Quebecois"
Vive le Canada.
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They should pay back all money to the federal government that was kick-backed to them and cancel the tax reduction that those who donated to them would have recieved from the sponsor-ship scandal.
Kevin, Since you say you are from Toronto I would guess english is your first language. If so, how old are you?
They should pay back all money to the federal government that was kick-backed to them and cancel the tax reduction that those who donated to them would have recieved from the sponsor-ship scandal.
Kevin, Since you say you are from Toronto I would guess english is your first language. If so, how old are you?
They've promised to do so, but have made no concrete moves in that direction. When Bill Blaikie (NDP, my area) made a little speech demanding they do so, he got an ovation in the HofC from everybody that wasn't a Liberal.
The next government and the one after that will also share the success but shirk the scandal as much as they can. We have a systemic problem. The Liberals just took over the corruption on the Conservatives and the Conservatives will take over the corruption of the Liberals.
The Liberals aren't any more corrupt than anybody else. I'm in no way saying that the Liberals are honest....Keep in mind that Mulroney had cabinet members doing weekends in the crowbar hotel before the end of his first term.
No single party should wear the shame of scandal. We should bloody well stand up and fix what's wrong so that scandal is caught earlier.