The Euro vs Dollar Conspiracy Theory: part II - "The P

Should we build a world economic model to answer the euro myth quesiotn once and for all?

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I think not

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Huck said:
ITN, please make an idea of your own and understand the model i created. from there we can start making data scenarios if needed.

I can't believe it, you dont even understand what i did and you just bable stuff. too bad.

I do not have the economic knowledge to create a model, I have stated this long before you ever arrived on this forum. So I will rely on expert economic analysts to do the thinking for me just as I do for medical issues.
 

Huck

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Toro said:
Huck said:
Toro said:
Huck said:
This is not enough. I f you have a single once of credibility, you will demonstrate why i am wrong

I got tired of doing that on page 3 of this thread.

yes, i know toro. Its better for you to stay like this. But, please quit making opinions based on air. if you wish to continue, i formerly challenge you to prove (with fact support) how my model is wrong.

Your whole topic is one big airy opinion Huck. You pull things off of Wikipedia, offer that up as "evidence", make seemingly random connections, offer broad-sweeping generalizations demanding others offer proof when you do not do likewise, and make a conclusion that no one who actually operates in the world in which you try to describe would even remotely recognize.

Heck Huck, at the beginning of this, I thought maybe you were sandbagging me. I thought when you said a "model", I was expecting something involving multivariate analyses or some other advanced statistical methodology.

Sorry Huck. All you've done is reinforced in your own mind your own pre-conceived ideas without offering any tangible evidence or proof of what you are offering.

But good try though. You're a good sport.

Toro, again, please stop talking and prove it.
 

Huck

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I think not said:
Huck said:
ITN, please make an idea of your own and understand the model i created. from there we can start making data scenarios if needed.

I can't believe it, you dont even understand what i did and you just bable stuff. too bad.

I do not have the economic knowledge to create a model, I have stated this long before you ever arrived on this forum. So I will rely on expert economic analysts to do the thinking for me just as I do for medical issues.

So you do not have the capacity to judge my model.
 

Huck

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I feel like galileo that is telling the world the earth is round. You ears are just shut... :roll:
 

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What is it you do for a living, Huck?
 

Huck

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I think not said:
Huck said:
So you do not have the capacity to judge my model.

No, but I have the capacity to understand your model is anything but!

Please explain why by demonstrating the model and identifying where it breaks.
 

Huck

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Guys, WAIT!!

you guys are shooting rocks at me, and all i ask is proof why, and you can't even give me that.

Please, be rational, show me the model does not work and i will be glad for it. I want truth...
 

I think not

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Huck said:
I think not said:
Huck said:
So you do not have the capacity to judge my model.

No, but I have the capacity to understand your model is anything but!

Please explain why by demonstrating the model and identifying where it breaks.

Read the link from Wikipedia and tell me if you have provided ANY of the elements in that article to even begin to suggest you have an economic model.
 

Huck

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Up to now, Im the only one who proved any thing with a demonstration of facts and procedure. You are trying to take me down basd on nothing...
 

Huck

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I think not said:
Huck said:
I think not said:
Huck said:
So you do not have the capacity to judge my model.

No, but I have the capacity to understand your model is anything but!

Please explain why by demonstrating the model and identifying where it breaks.

Read the link from Wikipedia and tell me if you have provided ANY of the elements in that article to even begin to suggest you have an economic model.

Did you read the model post? (it was only one post where i aggregated everything)
 

Huck

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ITN, if you will, i am ready to review it with you, so we can see if it makes sense. do you will? (it will take about 2 hours)
 

Toro

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Huck said:
Jay said:
What is it you do for a living, Huck?

Sorry, can't say that on boards...

I can.

I work for a large financial institution, have a couple of degrees, majored in finance and economics, have a professional designation, and have spent over a decade in capital markets.
 

Huck

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Good, so in the end, aside from the flaming, no one is really capable of proving my model wrong.

so, until then, i rest my case and i hope the others, the silent ones, can benefit from the model that was created here. :)
 

Huck

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Toro said:
Huck said:
Jay said:
What is it you do for a living, Huck?

Sorry, can't say that on boards...

I can.

I work for a large financial institution, have a couple of degrees, majored in finance and economics, have a professional designation, and have spent over a decade in capital markets.

Prove it, show the model wrong...
 

Huck

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Ok, toro, here it is, please show us what does not work.

Now, I will repeat the main mechanisms of the model. I will not repeat everything so for more details, please read earlier posts.


Notez bien : This model may be difficult for some to accept. It is not easy to have our beliefs shattered. But my only goal is to make the truth stand out, and only the truth. It should be based on verifiable facts. If I got something wrong, please point it out and prove where i am wrong so we can correct the model.


Here is how our economical world works:


The USA has dollar hegemony. This means that their currency is wanted by all countries in the world. Countries want these US dollars because it allows them to repay debts allocated from the IMF in USD, buy commodities transacted in USD such as oil and value their own currency, in case they plunge in the market place.

The only issuer of USD is the United States of America. So, to get USD, countries must produce goods, which are sold to the USA. The USA, because it is the creator of the money, can print and create out of thin air the required funds to buy the goods. This money has value because the world recognizes it. The receiving country will most likely keep these dollars for future use. Now, because the money is given to another country, it becomes his, and this avoids the USA from diluting their money, even as they create new money.

Plus, they get the goods, which allow them to transform them and resell them. This mechanism makes investors happy, and it prevents the interest rates from rising, hence increasing inflations. As long as other countries need USD, the USA can print new money without deadly inflation.

Also, because the USA are the providers of money for the rest of the world, the banks are happy. The international monetary fund provides its loans in USD, so, for a country to avoid currency conversion costs, it is better off paying in USD. And to get USD,, must sell goods to the USA and provide the banks. So, this “vicious circle” keeps the USA going and productive, which makes the banks happy and allow the USA to keep borrowing money, greatly increasing the debt. In short, the banks make money by lending to the USA.

The USA currently have a massive trade deficit, which means they buy much more than they export, which means that in theory, they make no money. But, they can sustain their activities with the mechanism above. In fact, the US dollar makes up to 70% of the world reserve currency. This means that the world has a lot of US dollars, and keeps pumping them in. This mechanism is recognized by investors and since the US goes well under these conditions, they keep investing. In short, the USA are economically healthy even if the debt grows and trade deficit is important. (as long as the hegemony lasts)

Now, lets see what would happen if the euro (or another currency) was to become a major reserve currency and an oil trade currency.

Again, to buy oil, a country would not need USD anymore, but rather euro. So, they would basically either transform their dolalrs to euros, or begin using these dollars in the USA and buying goods. The first main effect would be that the other countries, to have euros instead of USD would begin exporting goods to Europe instead. This would make a drop in USD imports. Then, the USA would also begin needing euros for oil, because the dollar is not the defacto standard anymore, so it would need to also begin exporting goods to Europe. This would be very difficult with the trade deficit they have, because they would need to have a trade surplus. Also, the debt would begin being important, because the flow of free money would stop, scaring investors. Banks will now want to get paid, the vicious circle being broken.

Also, all the US dollars that would begin to flow out of the other country’s reserves would flood the US market, diluting the dollar and dramatically lowering its value. This would in turn generate high inflation.

All these factors put together do not look good from an investor’s point of view. IN fact, if all this happens too quickly, the USA would surely crash, and so would the rest of the world. So, it must be gradual. But, it would also mean that the USA would become a smaller country, and no more a super power. Luckily for the USA, the IMF still loans in USD for now, so the dollar would maintain a certain reserve to repay loans and would smooth the impact of the euro. But, if the IMF was to become like the World Bank and accept many currencies, the dollar would fall even more.

So, to protect their economy, the US must absolutely ensure the hegemony continues. And, well I guess in this case, the end justifies the means…

So, this means that the theory of the petroeuro crashing the USA is true. I will let you pull you own conclusions and links as with the wars and US foreign policy, but they certainly seem to have good reasons to defend their hegemony…
 

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Toro, simple question:

If the 70% of USD reserves were to return quickly to the USA, would it cause massive inflation?
 

I think not

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The USA, because it is the creator of the money, can print and create out of thin air the required funds to buy the goods.

:lol:

Does the government send me checks in the mail to buy these goods? I have never seen any of it, or do they buy the goods and then ship it to all Americans?