The COLD WAR

[jimmoyer]

The only reason Marxism or even ersatz communism
got support from the intellectual left is that they
are searching for some antedote to the problems
of capitalism.



But this antedote is ultimately worse.

We can see this where-ever this antedote is applied.
The overall wealth and productivity of such societies
is stifled.

 

[Jersay]

Interesting ITN.

 

[ElPolaco]

A major problem is that most of the free market private property cultists automatically classify anyone who doesn't agree with them as a "stalinist" and ignore all the many years of political-economic-social thought dealing with other alternative systems. When I even mention that I'm a personalist who tends towards a form of "socialism" (public assistance to the development and aid to family businesses and municipalization of major manufactoring) and immediately I'm responsible for the excesses of the russian civil war, the stalinist famine and purges, the takeover of eastern europe and the castro executions. It's equivalent to me holding the owner of a McDuck's franchise responsible for the slave trade, european colonialism, the extermination of the Native Americans and all the oppressive US supported third world dictatorships.

 

[I think not]

Sounds about right.



















Just kidding

 

[missile]

I have just read of a prediction of the new upcoming Cold War..only this time it is with China. This is entirely possible, when you consider the human rights violations committed there and its ever increasing military.

 

[Jay]

I think it has already started...

 

[ElPolaco]

Maybe you guys up there are getting into it with China. Down here we can't. That's WalMart's production department. The US is busy starting a cold war with Venezuela.

 

[zara86tech]

An education for Jersay:



The Great Ukraine famine was in 1932-33. estimates of the deaths caused runs between 7 and 14 million persons. Stalin planed and carried out the policies that caused famine with an eye to the genocidal elimination of a people he did not trust.



A terrible thing, the overthrow of Allende. And Pinochet was a despot. But the deaths are measured in the tens of thousands. It seems most communist murdering sprees are counted by millions of victims.



Likewise,Batista was an SOB. Likewise, he murdered a bunch of people. Thousands, not millions.



Excuse me, but the overthrow of the Sandinista government (to its' credit) occured at the ballot box. They were defeated in elections, and stood aside.



Excuse me, but during the 350 years of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, at most 11 million blacks were transported. A large portion of those were not transported by capitalists, as that system didn't exist. As well, considering the number of black descendents there are in the western hemisphere, a large portion of those transported survived. 100 million deaths is out to lunch. Period.

The Great Ukraine famine was in 1932-33. estimates of the deaths caused runs between 7 and 14 million persons. Stalin planed and carried out the policies that caused famine with an eye to the genocidal elimination of a people he did not trust.

Sorry, but this events were in all USSR territory.

The Great Ukraine famine was in 1932-33. estimates of the deaths caused runs between 7 and 14 million persons. Stalin planed and carried out the policies that caused famine with an eye to the genocidal elimination of a people he did not trust.

Sorry, but this events were in all USSR territory.

In 1928, Stalin introduced the First Five-Year Plan for building a socialist economy. While encompassing the internationalism expressed by Lenin throughout the Revolution, it also aimed to build socialism in one country. In industry, the state assumed control over all existing enterprises and undertook an intensive program of industrialization. In agriculture, rather than adhering to the "lead by example" policy advocated by Lenin,[20] forced collectivisation of farms was implemented all over the country.
Famines ensued, causing millions of deaths; surviving kulaks were persecuted and many sent to Gulags to do forced labour.[21] Social upheaval continued in the mid-1930s. Stalin's Great Purge resulted in the execution or detainment of many "Old Bolsheviks" who had participated in the October Revolution with Lenin. According to declassified Soviet archives, in 1937 and 1938, the NKVD arrested more than one and a half million people, of whom 681,692 were shot – an average of 1,000 executions a day.[22] The excess deaths during the 1930s as a whole were in the range of 10–11 million.[23] Yet despite the turmoil of the mid-to-late 1930s, the Soviet Union developed a powerful industrial economy in the years before World War II.

Most of Gulags were located on territory of my country.

 

[The Old Medic]

Let's discuss it. .

Let's not discuss it here. It is way too complex a subject to be talked to death by people that mostly don't really know much about it (but THINK that they do).

 

[Locutus]

The good old days.

Avro's Arrow - Canadian Interceptor - Cold War - YouTube

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

It was cold. I mean that literally. Everyone thought the Ruskies would come over the pole so we did a hell of a lot of Winter Warfare training.

Damn cold.