The Art of being invisible.

elevennevele

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RE: The Art of being invi

It’s probably just another Harper maneuver to have his people once again practice the technique of hiding. There would probably be a few questions asked on such a trip and we know this government’s adversity to being confronted by questions.

Harper is making an international embarrassment of us.
 

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elevennevele said:
It’s probably just another Harper maneuver to have his people once again practice the technique of hiding. There would probably be a few questions asked on such a trip and we know this government’s adversity to being confronted by questions.

Harper is making an international embarrassment of us.

An International embrassment? That's a slight exaggeration. So, he is going to skip out on visiting Syria (Terrorism sponsor), Lebanon & Egypt. Besides those 3 countries, I doubt the rest of the world gives two shits.
 

elevennevele

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DurkaDurka said:
An International embrassment? That's a slight exaggeration. So, he is going to skip out on visiting Syria (Terrorism sponsor), Lebanon & Egypt. Besides those 3 countries, I doubt the rest of the world gives two shits.


Part of the trip to Syria is to visit a Lebanese refugee camp. Many Lebanese had to flee to Syria.

Also you don’t even have to see this from an international perspective. From a domestic perspective it can appear to be another ‘slight’ towards that side of the conflict. And a ‘slight’ to that half of the representation back here in Canada. An ‘insult’, so to speak. Especially after having thrown support behind Israel initially.

Whether that is a misunderstanding or not, it will still have the negative effect regardless because of it’s obvious perception.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060815.wtories0815/BNStory/National/home

“It strikes me that the government's attitude is that there's one view of the world, and they don't want others to be exposed to others,” said Mr. Chouaib.

Creating a sense of division in the country is a serious issue. A government has to recognize these things. It’s not as though Harper himself has to go. Why hide? We can still represent our Canadian principles when talking to delegates in Syria. It doesn’t compromise anything as far as who we are and Syria is only one part of it. I imagine Lebanon being the main part. The part where a lot of 'nationals' to Canada no doubt still remain.

The trip is suppose to help us better access the reality of the situation more firsthand. It can only be seen as a negative to back out of what was already a planned trip.
 

elevennevele

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RE: The Art of being invi

Harper seems so poor on foreign relations, on international understandings, on the reality of what really occurred over there in Lebanon... well, why not find out now with this first hand opportunity?!

Why did he even bother to have Liberal MP Wajid Khan come over to his side to act as adviser on Middle East issues? Why not send that guy over there now with what is already a planned trip?

A government shouldn’t feel this remote with the public trying to understand it. The government’s role is a service to the citizenry. Not the other way around. They are elected to represent Canadian interests as a general whole mindful of differing cultural groups and individual segments of the population.

A good leader of a country — as in Canada, is a leader who can be common to us. That has a sense of balance. A fair-minded view.

This government seems so remote from us it’s getting ridiculous.
 

elevennevele

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BitWhys said:
For one thing the Liberian President wouldn't have been obligated by diplomatic protocol to cancel her speech.

quick. slag Liberia. :p



Here is more detail with reference to the Liberian President.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=76a8a5c9-d036-4985-8e87-cdb0c868d735&k=76569

Harper no-show has international fallout

CanWest News Service; National Post
Published: Tuesday, August 15, 2006

TORONTO - Stephen Harper's decision not to attend the International AIDS Conference appears to have had more than just a symbolic impact.

Liberian President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf was to headline the meeting's opening ceremonies as a representative of Africa the continent hardest hit by the pandemic. But she cancelled after learning that Canada's prime minister would not be there to officially greet her, conference organizers said.

"Her non attendance is really a direct consequence of Mr. Harper not being here," said Dr. Mark Wainberg, head of the McGill University Centre for AIDS and the conference co-chair.

"I think, honestly, that he made a political mistake by not coming here to be with us."

The conference was "elated" when President Johnson-Sirleaf, Africa's first female head of state and a representative of the AIDS-ravaged sub-Saharan region, agreed to attend.

But her office later withdrew, indicating that she would not come to a foreign country if the head of government would not be there to meet with her.


This is an embarrassment for us. Too bad if Harper felt like he might get some boos. He’s the leader of Canada and he took the job to represent us in leadership. If he has created a climate where some Canadians will boo him, this absence certainly won’t make the danger of getting booed in the future any less.

More and more we become a country where the leader has to be insulated from the public. Sometimes now at the expense of foreign relations.
 

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So what we need is a leader who has nuance.Someone who will be everything to everyone. Someone who is not afraid to take a firm stand on the fence.Gee,maybe paul martin is interested. Let's bring back the Liberals and make them promise not to steal with both hands this time. Harper has more intelligence and integrity than layton,martin and Chretien put together.It is unfortunate that people who despise Bush are too thick to realize that Harper is not his puppet,but an actual leader who does not make decisions according to the polls.
 

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wallyj said:
So what we need is a leader who has nuance.Someone who will be everything to everyone. Someone who is not afraid to take a firm stand on the fence.Gee,maybe paul martin is interested. Let's bring back the Liberals and make them promise not to steal with both hands this time. Harper has more intelligence and integrity than layton,martin and Chretien put together.It is unfortunate that people who despise Bush are too thick to realize that Harper is not his puppet,but an actual leader who does not make decisions according to the polls.

...my leader is smarter than your leader.
 

wallyj

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Who is your leader? I have a feeling that your french psuedonym is covering up an obvious Muslim name.You still won't say if you were happy or sad that the terrorists were caught in England. Are you doing a marc lepine? So who is your leader?
 

elevennevele

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wallyj said:
So what we need is a leader who has nuance.Someone who will be everything to everyone. Someone who is not afraid to take a firm stand on the fence.Gee,maybe paul martin is interested. Let's bring back the Liberals and make them promise not to steal with both hands this time. Harper has more intelligence and integrity than layton,martin and Chretien put together.It is unfortunate that people who despise Bush are too thick to realize that Harper is not his puppet,but an actual leader who does not make decisions according to the polls.



You can never be everything to everyone. That is simply not possible. So one who tries will always come across as having a weak character. However with the diversity of Canada if one can at least view everyone in fairness, and lead with the same gesture of equality then that person will garnish respect and be more common to everyone.

It might require someone with nuance. Someone who can recognize all the shades of gray which doesn’t have to result in cluttered decisions. A decisiveness leader can only strengthen the government’s direction by having a greater understanding of the country and the world outside it’s borders.

I gave no reference to Paul Martin when I put forth these statements so it makes no sense for me to even bother defending him in any such way. I recognize he ran a poor campaign and I recognize he was somewhat all over the map. He has little to do with my point.

As for Harper, he gives off the impression that some people are worth much less than others by his actions (or his egocentric self-preservation?). His party can say whatever they want and MacKay can go up on a panel and act as if his heart bleeds for people, but it all comes down to how the government really responds. Moreover a government can open up their wallet and dole out cash to win favour. That doesn’t necessarily suggest a high character. It can always be helpful to the people receiving, but the money is taxpayer money anyway. It can be easy to spend if it is there to spend and look like a saint doing it.

What I would recognize is how a leadership truly approaches the different people in the nation they govern and even more, recognize who they decide to exclude or be indifferent towards.

There is so much more one can say about leadership but this is at least one aspect of it.
 

elevennevele

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wallyj said:
I think that the main reason some people are so upset that he wasn't there personally is because they wanted an opportunity to boo him and shout him down.Afterwards they could all sip thier spritzers and feel morally superior.Well boo hoo. Africa which has the largest problem by far,were all thier leaders there? Where was Al Gore,Michael Moore,don't they care?


I didn’t hear of it, but if you are suggesting Michael Moore is now acting as interim Prime Minister of Canada in the face of Harper’s invisiblity then he sure as heck better get his butt over to that AIDS Conference and greet the the Liberian President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf representing Africa.

Otherwise we should all write letters and ask for Michael Moore’s resignation as he would clearly be failing at his new position.
 

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wallyj said:
Who is your leader? I have a feeling that your french psuedonym is covering up an obvious Muslim name.You still won't say if you were happy or sad that the terrorists were caught in England. Are you doing a marc lepine? So who is your leader?

The leader bit was in reference to your grade 5 statement that Harper is smarter than all three of the other Canadian Party's leaders.

Also, you are having trouble fathoming that a caucasion is anti-Israel and anti-American. It scares the hell out of you. Boo.
 

wallyj

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Caucasians can be terrorists too.A lot of them seem to be enablers and apologists such as yourself.It is one thing to be anti-american,but quite another to be pro-terrorist.Yes,Harper does seem to have more intelligence than the other three,include yourself and that is four.
 

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I heard the news reporting Harper not showing up at the conference. I found myself profoundly uninterested.

Turns out I couldn't care less.
I did hear he was in the north to announce a new port.

Apparently he was in hiding making an announcement up there.
This is clearly a situation where you just don't like harper. Let's be honest, shall we.
 

elevennevele

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You don’t see Harper or Bush commenting on the friendly fire incident. It’s not the Harper way to show much visible concern over such events. I’m sure he wants to distance himself as far as possible from such negative things even though the direction of the mission in Afghanistan is something he’s put his own face on with regards to the use of our military and the extension/involvement of their commitments.

I know. Someone is going to tell me, “how is Harper responsible for the friendly fire?”, or “he can’t give speeches on every thing that happens in Afghanistan”. This isn’t the point I’m making.

The thing with me is to see that such things do concern our leadership. Instead, Harper gives a repetitive display of indifference, and that really bothers me. He’s so concerned over his political image that I don’t know what is really more important to the guy. It also gives the impression he’s overly concerned about being liked the by Bush administration that he is never very vocal in defense of our own.

Is it really bad for a leader to show he cares?

The reason why it’s not as easy for Harper is that he’s on the wrong end of the government policies. With Afghanistan, Canadians are more interested in being part of peacekeeping missions of limited combat capacity than about having this country in a state of war with very shaky goals that may have very fruitless outcomes regardless of the cost in both lives and money.

Suddenly we are slowly getting fed the idea that we are at war. Not in fighting an occupier, but in being an occupier. I am sure the public would not have signed on for that, and as far as NATO is concerned we did not have to rush to an extension or taking the leading role. We did not have to be so gung ho, but rather gave our NATO support with cautious attention and a flexibility to the unpredictability of war.

This hip hugging with the Americans is all Harper. As much as he wants to have things his way, when it gets really tough he seems sure quick to distance his face from the events.

There is nothing I can admire about that.


http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2006/09/05/1803145-sun.html
 

elevennevele

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And if anyone votes in Ignatieff it looks like I’ll never have any rest when it comes to politics. My attitude is to not to flirt with that wild experimentation either.

I still have trouble understanding what kind of person would tell his brother that their relationship in University should be perceivably, nonexistent. I could never imagine saying that to my brother regardless of any goal towards self determination. It says what he will do for the good of himself.

But that is simply a character assessment. For leadership, he is starting to show his cards and he seems to have wild ideas of how he may plan to stick our Canadian necks out.

Again, for me, anyone who supported the Iraq War (Harper very much included) and would have sent us into Iraq, defaults to not deserving to lead this country.

It amounts to an utmost crucial leadership decision and one that would have depreciated this nation on so many levels (the economy, security, reputation, etc.). An unremovable stain in our history, and a burden to carried on by our children as for their representation in the world.
 

elevennevele

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Ok, so he won’t face our national media, but now he’ll annoy European Leaders with a snub because he wishes to hide from any questions that could be posed to him abroad. This at the expense of our international relationships.

Come on, this isn’t amateur night. Harper is the leader of a country. ‘This country’ and so he represents us and has to represent us whether I’m happy about that or not. He can’t just start ignoring or hiding from everyone. He can’t control every situation or be too much of a coward to stand up and face the music that comes with being the top guy.

I thought he wanted this job.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061104.wxHarper04/BNStory/National/home
PM calls off European summit


JOHN IBBITSON
From Saturday's Globe and Mail



OTTAWA — Stephen Harper has surprised and annoyed European Union leaders by cancelling a planned Canada-EU summit, where he was going to be criticized for abandoning this country's commitment to the Kyoto Protocol on global warming.


Mr. Harper told Finnish Prime Minister Maati Vanhanen yesterday by telephone that he would not be able to attend the summit scheduled for Nov. 27.


The Prime Minister cited the need to remain in Canada as much as possible while the House of Commons is sitting, because the Conservatives enjoy only a minority government.


However, Mr. Harper still plans to travel to Hanoi later this month to attend a meeting of APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation) leaders. He will also be in Riga, Latvia, at the end of the month for meetings with the heads of NATO.

It was the decision to attend the NATO meeting while cancelling the EU summit that has European officials miffed, because the Prime Minister is going to be in the neighbourhood anyway.


The EU summit, in Helsinki and Tampere, Finland, occurs only two days before the NATO meetings, and Finland is a short flight from Latvia.


“The undertone is pretty bitter,” stated one European official who asked not to be identified.
There is widespread belief that Canada cancelled the meeting because EU officials announced that the question of Kyoto Protocol targets would be placed on the agenda.


European leaders are upset with the Conservative government's proposed Clean Air Act, which abandons Canada's pledge under the Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.


Instead, the legislation would allow emissions to rise in the near term, while increasing the emphasis on reducing air pollution. The Harper government's decision marks the first time that a Canadian government has failed to abide by an international treaty commitment.


(con't)
 

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In the first place we do not have a national Conservative or Tory party. We have the Canadian Alliance. Or is it the Reform Party? Maybe it is the Conservatives. I'm all confused. What ever it is called it has Reform, Conservatives and left over Harrisites (not to be confused with Parisites,,, I think). Any way, these guy's arrogance make the Cretian Liberals look bashful. The prime Minister is best kept hidden so as not to humiliate ud Canadians in front of the world.

The real leaders of Canada will be back soon.

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