The absolute truth .

[china]

L Gilbert

No thanks. If you can't just outright say what you mean in your posts, I am not particularly interested in figuring out what is between the lines.

What I mean is very simple ;you have to find your own truth , you will then know why I just don't say it outright.Obviously LG, you are not afraid of your own truth , right?

Anyway, this is off topic. How about commenting on my comment about there not being any absolute truth?

What would you like to know ? Did you guys forget what it means to ask questions ? Just to criticize ,without any effort of finding an answer, doesn't get you very far.
I,d be happy to go into the subject of absolute truth .That's what the thread is all about ;I have stated my point of view; and that's what it is ,"my point of view ", now where would you like to go from here?

 

[china]

MikeyDB

Polish/Chinese philosopher .

Here you go again building on some untrue observations.First of all I was born ( in Poland ) without any labels like ........Polish ,Chinese ,Libereral,Republican ,Canadian or so on.I still live up to this freedom of not being labeled .I just am who I am . You should do the same M DB .

 

[MikeyDB]

That's not what your contributions indicate here China....

You want me to subscribe to your thinking.....


You want me and everyone else who pays any attention of any kind to your ramblings to embrace your half-baked world-view.

Or else why do you go to the bother...?

Why would you care if I or anyone else regards your scratching with approval or disdain...?

You're playing a game....

Hope you're having fun!

 

[china]

That's not what your contributions indicate here China....

It indicates whatever your mind desires.

You want me to subscribe to your thinking.....

You are old enough to decide for your self what you want to subscribe to.

You want me and everyone else who pays any attention of any kind to your ramblings to embrace your half-baked world-view.

No , as the mater of fact I ask them not to -to find their truth; but you already know that.

Or else why do you go to the bother...?

My business.

Why would you care if I or anyone else regards your scratching with approval or disdain...? My business .

You're playing a game....

You are playing a game .

Hope you're having fun!

You are not well .

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert
What I mean is very simple ;you have to find your own truth , you will then know why I just don't say it outright.Obviously LG, you are not afraid of your own truth , right?

I don't really think about truth much or often. I did offer a bit of logic pointing to the idea that there is no absolute truth. Since then I have seen nothing discussing my comment.

What would you like to know ? Did you guys forget what it means to ask questions ? Just to criticize ,without any effort of finding an answer, doesn't get you very far.
I,d be happy to go into the subject of absolute truth .That's what the thread is all about ;I have stated my point of view; and that's what it is ,"my point of view ", now where would you like to go from here?

I told you what I'd like to know and I was not criticizing anything. I did not forget how to ask questions. I wondered why you say things "between the lines" rather than just saying what you mean and why you expect people to figure out what you have between your lines. I asked what you thought of my comment about there not being such a thing as absolute truth. Now that was 7 posts ago and you've made 4 of those 7 posts since and I am still without an answer.

 

[china]

Ok L Gilbert

Please tell me what is you understanding,interpretation of love and reality ;are they the same thing ,can they be the same thing ? When you answer , will respond as soon as i can .These days , still on the road and have very limited time .

 

[china]

L Gilbert

I am not particularly interested in figuring out what is between the lines.

You are right ,I meant going beyond "a dry" meaning of the word.

 

[china]

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Ok ,L Gilbert ,Let's start from the beginning .Philosophy is love of truth, philosophy is not the speculative or the intellectual activity of system-building. Love means the instantaneous perception. It is understanding which is beyond the intellect. Truth means the life which is undetermined by thought. It means the mind which is unconditioned. Philosophy is living life independently of systems, images,labels, ideals and beliefs. It is living from moment to moment in the total freedom of the mind. It is living in the 'present'. True life is what is happening this instant. It is not what thought or intellect conceives it to be. Philosophy is living inseparably from what is taking place now. It is the art of living life directly and not through theories and words. Direct living is living holistically without the sense of division, conceptual or psychological. lt is not a theoretical exercise of avoiding the actuality of life.It is exactly what the word philosophy means - the love of truth,[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]the love of life. It is not something that you go to the university to learn. We are learning the art of living in our daily life , philosophy is the 'understanding of the truth which is beyond the reality of thought. Philosophy is the ending of the illusion of mistaking reality for truth. It is the realization that reality can never become truth. Philosophy is the actual cessation of the ignorance and the irrationality of approaching truth through reality. It is understanding the finitude of reality and going beyond. Philosophy means love of truth, not love of ideas, not love of speculation.And that means you have to find out for yourself where reality is and that reality cannot become truth. You cannot go through reality to come to truth. You must understand the limitations of reality which is the whole process of thought.

I will continuue tonight or so...
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[L Gilbert]

Philosophy is the rational study of thought and pursuit of wisdom.
Truth is a perception of the results of one's learning.
Love is a strong positive emotion of regard and devotion.
etc.
etc.

You sure like to redefine concepts. Fortunately, most of the rest of us would prefer to stick to a common definition for these things. If everyone came up with different definitions for things, we would never be able to communicate. That'd be no fun at all.

It appears your thinking has gone past the limitations of reality and has possibly discovered its own truths which no-one else shares.

 

[china]

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]L Gilbert

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Philosophy is the rational study of thought and pursuit of wisdom.

PHILO -LOVE.......SOPHIA -WISDOM.....Love of Wisdom

Truth is a perception of the results of one's learning.

And I would say that looking back at the results is looking in the past .There is No Truth in the past .Truth is actual .in the present ,from moment to moment L G ; the past is dead .

Love is a strong positive emotion of regard and devotion.

You should read The 1st. Corinthians chapt.13.I wonder why St.Paul preffered to say what love is not rather than what it is.Just wondering L G .


etc.

You sure like to redefine concepts

I don't think so L Gilbert.I like to explore them

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Fortunately, most of the rest of us would prefer to stick to a common definition for these things If everyone came up with different definitions for things, we would never be able to communicate. That'd be no fun at all.
It appears your thinking has gone past the limitations of reality and has possibly discovered its own truths which no-one else shares.

I will not comment on the above ; it's childish .

I will continue now as I have promised above. Let's get back to reality .[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Reality is thought which is the movement of the past. It is a psychological-material process. It is necessarily conditioned by a thing or an idea. Thought is always of something, gross or subtle, physical or psychological. It is never independent. Independent thought is a contradiction in teens.Check it out for your self LG ,you don't have to be a specialist . Reality is all that is conceived by thought. Reality,"comes from 'res' and that anything that thought operates on, or fabricates or reflects about, is reality"[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1] The mind or the consciousness with its thought content is reality. The content comprises the factual as well as the psychological knowledge. The factual content is the knowledge which is reasonable and useful for the biological well-being of humankind. It includes the scientific, the technological, the semantic, the numerical and the historical knowledge or information, whereas the psychological content is a messy conglomeration of the irrational and fictitious knowledge. It consists of the illusions - beliefs, hopes, images, symbols - invented by thought as a means of escape from the inward poverty, the psychological insecurity. The psychological content constitutes the mind which is conditioned, fragmented, self-centred, self-contradictory, conflicting, confused, anxious, insecure, jealous, aggressive, corrupt, violent, war-like, crooked and insane. The psychological content of consciousness is the actuality, the fact of human existence. It is with this content that human being has been living for whatever of years. Devoid of self-knowing or awareness, the conditioned consciousness determines itself; it generates its own energy; it adds to its content and perpetuates itself to self-destruction; again L G , you don't have to be a specialist to see that. The psychological content is only the name and form and not the true nature of humanity. The uniqueness of the individual does not lie in the superficial but in the total freedom from the content of consciousness[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1].The task of philosophy is to break the continuity of the conditioned consciousness. It is to end the psychological content of the human mind and regenerate it, like the phoenix ,are you familiar LG[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1] ?Regeneration is the understanding of the truth which is the emptiness of mind. Truth is the mind which does not contain a 'thing' put together by thought. It is freedom which is totally independent of thought. It is the mind which is devoid of the content of division, contradiction, conflict and so on. It is the mind which is whole and sane. Truth is 'nothing'. It is the mind which is no-thing or nothingness.[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[china]

Truth must come to you. Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart; not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind. When there is love in your heart, you do not talk about organizing for brotherhood; you do not talk about belief, you do not talk about division or the powers that create division, you need not seek reconciliation. Then you are a simply a human being without a label, without a country. This means that you must strip yourself of all those things and allow truth to come into being; and it can come only when the mind is empty, when the mind ceases to create. Then it will come without your invitation. Then it will come as swiftly as the wind and unbeknown. It comes obscurely, not when you are watching, wanting. It is there as sudden as sunlight, as pure as the night; but to receive it, the heart must be full and the mind empty. Nowyou have the mind full and your heart empty.

 

[china]

Truth is not of the past or of the present, it is timeless; and the man who quotes the truth of the Buddha, of Shankara, of the Christ, or who merely repeats what I am saying, will not find truth, because repetition is not truth. Repetition is a lie. Truth is a state of being which arises when the mind- which seeks to divide, to be exclusive, which can think only in terms of results, of achievement- has come to an end. Only then will there be truth. The mind that is making effort, disciplining itself in order to achieve an end, cannot know truth, because the end is its own projection, and the pursuit of that projection, however noble, is a form of self -worship. Such a being is worshipping himself, and therefore he cannot know truth. Truth is to be known only when we understand the whole process of the mind, that is, when there is no strife.

 

[china]

Is God to be found by seeking him out? Can you search after the unknowable? To find, you must know what you are seeking. If you seek to find, what you find will be a self-projection; it will be what you desire, and the creation of desire is not truth. To seek truth is to deny it. Truth has no fixed abode; there is no path, no guide to it, and the word is not truth. Is truth to be found in a particular setting, in a special climate, among certain people? Is it here and not there? Is that one the guide to truth, and not another? Is there a guide at all? When truth is sought, what is found can only come out of ignorance, for the search itself is born of ignorance. You cannot search out reality; you must cease for reality to be.

 

[MikeyDB]

Geeez China....

Bonsai and origami are still waiting for your attention.....

Your exercise of hubris is amazing!

You've "got all the answers" and you're on some "mission" to convert us all to your enlightened squint on the world..?

While you've been entertaining from time to time....you've become tiresome with shadings of adolescent angst....

Please go to Israel and Washington DC....spread your mystical solutions and "insights" over the ill-informed and ignorant who will undoubtedly abandon their monolithic self-interest to yours....

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Geeez China....

Bonsai and origami are still waiting for your attention.....

Your exercise of hubris is amazing!

You've "got all the answers" and you're on some "mission" to convert us all to your enlightened squint on the world..?

While you've been entertaining from time to time....you've become tiresome with shadings of adolescent angst....

Please go to Israel and Washington DC....spread your mystical solutions and "insights" over the ill-informed and ignorant who will undoubtedly abandon their monolithic self-interest to yours....

:roll:
You are correct Mikey, the man is on the mission to complicate reality. “the meaning of absolute intelligence, and intelligence of absolute reality. f :roll::roll::roll:

 

[Risus]

Truth is not of the past or of the present, it is timeless; and the man who quotes the truth of the Buddha, of Shankara, of the Christ, or who merely repeats what I am saying, will not find truth, because repetition is not truth. Repetition is a lie. Truth is a state of being which arises when the mind- which seeks to divide, to be exclusive, which can think only in terms of results, of achievement- has come to an end. Only then will there be truth. The mind that is making effort, disciplining itself in order to achieve an end, cannot know truth, because the end is its own projection, and the pursuit of that projection, however noble, is a form of self -worship. Such a being is worshipping himself, and therefore he cannot know truth. Truth is to be known only when we understand the whole process of the mind, that is, when there is no strife.

You sure spout crap!

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Man you need help.

 

[Risus]

Man you need help.

Who??

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Who??

China, he comes on as if he holds a philosophers degree when in fact he doesn’t. He seriously needs help. You are never right he is here to c o r r e c t anything you say. We are all uneducated people except China. The ironies truth and truth is timeless because it never happened while something never happened how it can be true. F u cked up or what?

 

[Risus]

China, he comes on as if he holds a philosophers degree when in fact he doesn’t. He seriously needs help. You are never right he is here to c o r r e c t anything you say. We are all uneducated people except China. The ironies truth and truth is timeless because it never happened while something never happened how it can be true. F u cked up or what?

LOL, ok, that makes sense. I thought you might have been referring to me!