TAR SANDS - another national disgrace

LittleRunningGag

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JonB2004 said:
Well, its like I said before. Karlin doesn't care whatsoever about this country.

:roll:

Number one, he doesn't have to. Number two, how is that a relevant comment? So what if he hates Canada, it doesn't make his opinions any more or less valid. Your assumption that it makes a difference, however, makes your opinion less valid.

*censored* you, Karlin.

Grow up. :roll:
 

bluealberta

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LittleRunningGag said:
JonB2004 said:
Well, its like I said before. Karlin doesn't care whatsoever about this country.

:roll:

Number one, he doesn't have to. Number two, how is that a relevant comment? So what if he hates Canada, it doesn't make his opinions any more or less valid. Your assumption that it makes a difference, however, makes your opinion less valid.

*censored* you, Karlin.

Grow up. :roll:

Take a pill, LRG. Of course his opinion is any more or less valid. It's just plain wrong!! Seriously, though, you really cannot put much faith into his comments on this topic, can you? It is obvious he speaks from a position of total ignorance, which makes his opinions, if not less valid, certainly less important.
 

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LittleRunningGag said:
JonB2004 said:
Well, its like I said before. Karlin doesn't care whatsoever about this country.

:roll:

Number one, he doesn't have to. Number two, how is that a relevant comment? So what if he hates Canada, it doesn't make his opinions any more or less valid. Your assumption that it makes a difference, however, makes your opinion less valid.

*censored* you, Karlin.

Grow up. :roll:

Well, he hates the tar sands. Shutting down the tar sands would cause massive damage to the economy and could result in it collasping. So obviously he doesn't care about this country whatsoever. I'm not assuming anything. His post suggests that.

And as for my "Fuck you" statement and your grow up BS. Too bad.
 

LittleRunningGag

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Of course he's wrong. I said that earlier. My point is that bullspit comments about how Karlin hates Canada is just empty rhetoric reminicient of idiot Fox "News" personalities.

Not to mention the accompanying "fuck you" comment.
 

JonB2004

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Well, if he doesn't mind seeing the economy collaspe, then he must hate Canada.
 

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The problem is we are selling ourselves too cheaply. What price is put on the vast environmental devastation, the huge waste of water, the massive ghg emissions just to make oil which can create its own ghg emissions when burned>?

Approximate price of oil extracted from the tar sands $70
Approximate cost of oil extracted from the tar sands $40
Approximate profits from oil extracted from the tar sands $30

Conservative estimate of barrel oil equivalent in the tar sands 350,000,000,000

Current approxiate total value of tar sands $10,000,000,000,000.

That's too cheap?

BTW, it takes 0.2-0.9 mm btus of natural gas to produce a barrel of oil from the tar sands. With nat gas at $6 and oil at $75, the heat substitution ratio is 12.5:1. So yes, it makes much sense to use nat gas to extract oil from the tar sands.

And a long time ago, I had read that Canada has something like 1/7th the world's fresh water supply. I don't know if that's true or not, but its safe to say its a lot. So I don't think we have to worry too much about water.

Edited because I couldn't count my zeros.
 

Said1

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Toro said:
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And a long time ago, I had read that Canada has something like 1/7th the world's fresh water supply. I don't know if that's true or not, but its safe to say its a lot. So I don't think we have to worry too much about water.

Edited because I couldn't count my zeros.

Sadly, most re-newed fresh water drains into the North Atlantic. :cry:
 

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Here is the anti-Gore information, from the Calgary Sun today:

Paul Stanway
Fri, July 7, 2006

An inconvenient truth for Gore

By Paul Stanway

It's wonderful that Ralph Klein and Stephen Harper are working to raise our profile in Washington, but for every silver lining there is a cloud - and in this case it's a glowering thunderhead named Al Gore.

Last week, Ralph was in the U.S. capital promoting Alberta, and specifically the oilsands as a reliable source of energy. This week it's the PM's turn, with a meeting yesterday with birthday boy George Bush, and earlier a working dinner with heavy hitters from the president's cabinet.

It's still news to most Canadians that our country is America's No. 1 source of energy, but the Bush administration knows it and is increasingly interested in Canada - Alberta in particular - as a place where oil and gas don't go hand in hand with political instability and anti-Americanism.

The importance of Canada to the U.S. as an energy supplier is not news to former Democratic presidential candidate Gore. Back in January Bill Clinton's old V-P accused the oil industry of financing the election of "ultra-conservative" Harper to protect their interests in the oilsands.

"The election in Canada was partly about the tarsands projects in Alberta," Gore told a crowd at the Sundance film festival in Utah. "The financial interests behind the tarsands poured a lot of money and support behind an ultra-conservative leader in order to win the election ... and to protect their interests."

Apparently Gore was unaware that Canadian election law caps company donations at $1,000 a year, or that natural resources are controlled by provincial governments and not the feds. But why let facts get in the way of a good smear?

This week he was at it again, using an interview with Rolling Stone magazine to suggest development of the oilsands is "truly nuts" - equivalent to a junkie looking for a fix. "They have to tear up four tonnes of landscape, all for one barrel of oil," moaned Gore. "It seems reasonable, to them, because they've lost sight of their lives."

Well, thanks for that Al, but I'm guessing most Albertans have a better grip on their lives than a political also-ran who can't get over the fact he lost the presidency to George W. Or the fact his former boss, Bill Clinton, refused to submit to the U.S. Congress a Gore-negotiated Kyoto accord that would have crippled the American economy.

Officially Gore is still insisting "I have no plans" to run for a 2008 presidential nomination, but for a guy with no political ambitions he's here, there, and everywhere else lately in the U.S. media warning that the next president has just 10 years to save the planet from a global warming catastrophe.

Gore also has a Michael Moore-style movie out -- An Inconvenient Truth - that tries to dramatize the eye-glazing greenhouse gas slide-show presentation that the former Veep has been boring audiences with for two decades (I have had the misfortune to sit through it twice).

Among Gore's more outrageous nose-stretchers in the film is the claim that scientists agree global warming could produce a 20-foot rise in sea level. A 2005 joint statement by the science academies of the Western nations, including the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, actually estimates a worst-case scenario of 35 inches.

But, again, why bother with facts when you're on a crusade? Despite the fact that the original Kyoto was dead on arrival, and swiftly dumped by his own president, he believes we need a Kyoto 2 to effectively kill developments such as Alberta's oilsands. Gore ignores the reality that the countries that signed Kyoto, including Canada, have thus far committed a gargantuan $150 billion to hypothetically reduce the average global temperature by 0.0015 degrees Celsius. At that rate it would take around 665 years and $100 trillion to reduce it by one full degree Celsius. (Numbers courtesy of JunkScience.com, and official government data.)

If by some fluke Gore were to persuade the Democrats to make the same mistake twice and nominate him for the 2008 presidential race, the U.S. Senate would presumably once again prevent him from trashing his own economy. But who would prevent him from trashing the oilsands? "I don't know what he proposes the world run on - hot air?" wondered Alberta's premier. Ah, if only. Gore could likely power Fort Mac all on his own.

- pstanway@edmsun.com

Maybe Gore should just stick to screwing around with his own consititency and leave the rest of us, especially in Canada, alone.
 

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I wonder if Al will benefit personally from the rape and pillage of Alberta. Probably not, being the naturalist that he is. :lol:
 

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Re: RE: TAR SANDS - another national disgrace

Said1 said:
I wonder if Al will benefit personally from the rape and pillage of Alberta. Probably not, being the naturalist that he is. :lol:

I personally think Gore has a hidden agenda. Stop the oilsands, get elected president, and when the US citizens cry about the cost of gas and energy costs, invade Alberta, take over the oilsands and become the hero to the great unwashed in the US by producing lower cost fuel.

What, that doesn't makes any sense you say? Makes about as much sense as anything Gore says or writes!! 8)
 

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Gore is an environmental hypocrite like Suzuki and others. They fly around in jets, get picked up in limos and stay in air conditioned hotel suites. They use more carbon energy in a week than most humans do in a year. That 747 taking Suzuki from Vancouver to his suite in Toronto burns about 26,000 liters of fuel. And no, he doesn't ride his bike from his home to the Vancouver airport.
 

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athabaska said:
Gore is an environmental hypocrite like Suzuki and others. They fly around in jets, get picked up in limos and stay in air conditioned hotel suites. They use more carbon energy in a week than most humans do in a year. That 747 taking Suzuki from Vancouver to his suite in Toronto burns about 26,000 liters of fuel. And no, he doesn't ride his bike from his home to the Vancouver airport.

:lol:

Love it!
 

JonB2004

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athabaska said:
Gore is an environmental hypocrite like Suzuki and others. They fly around in jets, get picked up in limos and stay in air conditioned hotel suites. They use more carbon energy in a week than most humans do in a year. That 747 taking Suzuki from Vancouver to his suite in Toronto burns about 26,000 liters of fuel. And no, he doesn't ride his bike from his home to the Vancouver airport.

Good post. :D
 

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mmmmm Youve got to be kidding me, when I saw this thread, I thought it was about the Tar Ponds in Cape Breton as you claimed national disgrace.

Tar Sands, should be a point of pride, we have the Largest Oil reserves now in North America, we can bend other nations to our will...if we so like. Its big money for me and you, and its cost on the Enviroment well it could be worse.
 

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Lineman said:
Another doorbell ring by Karlin. Doesn't stick around to defend or discuss his points.

It ticks me off when Karlin does that. It makes him look pretty stupid when he posts and then fucks off.
 

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athabaska said:
Gore is an environmental hypocrite like Suzuki and others. They fly around in jets, get picked up in limos and stay in air conditioned hotel suites. They use more carbon energy in a week than most humans do in a year. That 747 taking Suzuki from Vancouver to his suite in Toronto burns about 26,000 liters of fuel. And no, he doesn't ride his bike from his home to the Vancouver airport.

Yeah, but did you know that Suzuki's jetsetting has created massive amounts of jet trails which in turn reflect the sun's light which in turn cools the earth thus helping reverse the effects of global warming? He could have flown in a lear jet, but that produces less jet trails...

And no, it would be impossible to Suzuki to ride his bike from home to YVR unless he's figured out a way to ride on water.

Back to the topic, as the value of the Oil Sands increase (ie. the world is more dependent on it), you can be sure there will be more effecient and more environmentally aware methods to extract the oil. One such method is using steam to force the oil from the ground and replacing it with water. I don't know if the previous statement is an adequate explanation of the process, but the end result is that the oil comes out of the ground and water replaces it underground.

BTW, I'm just joking on the jet trail theory...
:wink:
 

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I wonder if, in light of the recent events in the middle east and the real potential of huge increased in gas prices at the pump, that people still think the tarsands are not a necessary development?

Seems to me that a stable supply of oil from a stable government and country will be more preferable to a supply of oil from a region that is very unstable.

Al Gore, go to hell!!!!!