Stuck In Baghdad? Yeah, Right
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Well JJ unless we want the terrorists to overtake Iraq, and God only knows what kind of global impact this would have, we should stay the course. We need to stay there till the Iraqi troops and special forces are fully trained and capable of training their own so they can defend their country against the terrorist occupation.
It would be inconceivable for everyone's sake (except perhaps the terrorists) to leave at this point.
It would be inconceivable for everyone's sake (except perhaps the terrorists) to leave at this point.
Nascar_James said:
yep......that old and getting tiresome "terrorists" arguement. Kinda too bad the US was too fecking STUPID not to listen to all the anti war protests.......the multitude of cautionary statements made before they went off half fecking cocked as usual. Of course there are terrorists there now.........INVITED BY THE FECKING USR when they INVADED the country. It is the invaders that are at total fault...........and the sooner they ADMIT that to themselves the sooner some serious solutions can be looked at.
Sure "stay the course" .........even if the whole damned course was/is stupid from the root up. Only a lamebrain would repeat such crap. (or one who has his own fecking agenda.......and nothing to do with the needs of the Iraqi people)
and what do you mean by "we" ......... is it not what the Iraqis want??? Ya know ........the current US really sucks... as they have yet to figure out that the world/the Iraqis could care less what the US wants now. or even thinks now. It is just smoke and mirrors and a waiting game until there is a regime change in the USR.
the curren neo con STUPIDITY defies reality .
Anyone who says that we should pull the troops out today and allow the Iraqi people to fend for theirselves is either lying or ignorant....let me explain to you....
...the problem in Iraq today is that although coaliton troops are able to drive insurgents out of towns and cities, as soon as we leave they come right back.... we are not able to currently provide constant security in these areas...which is why were are training Iraqi's to eventually take over..... you see there is no police or security in this country so if we leave tomorrow then what do you think will happen??? shit if there was no police or security in Canada it would be anarchy....
We are gonna have to wait till the Iraqis have a large enough police force to handle the country....do you understand this logic??
...the problem in Iraq today is that although coaliton troops are able to drive insurgents out of towns and cities, as soon as we leave they come right back.... we are not able to currently provide constant security in these areas...which is why were are training Iraqi's to eventually take over..... you see there is no police or security in this country so if we leave tomorrow then what do you think will happen??? shit if there was no police or security in Canada it would be anarchy....
We are gonna have to wait till the Iraqis have a large enough police force to handle the country....do you understand this logic??
what's to understand??? So why did the US disassemble the Iraqi police forces, their military as if to bring in the US version of everything......including law and order??? Why does the STUPID US think they can train the Iraqis into being better than before ,when the US does not even know /understand the Iraqi culture???? Stupid , stupid , stupid. USR.
any idiot who thinks that children /people can be bribed with candy.......while people are being killed around them by the ones doing the bribing............is a fool indeed.
Would be willing to bet that most Americans did not know where Iraq was on the map.... or anything about the Iraqi population .....before bush decided to strap on his six shooters and invade it. .......and then all of a sudden every American "knows what is best for the Iraqis".......
.......while ignoring the fact that Iraq is an old and rich nation with a treasure of a culture......and a rich history. (something the US lacks., in its disposable , plastic society)
.....because these were SH's police forces fighting against them and again many of them were made up of SH loyalists who are currently waging their war on the Iraqi people... also like in the first Gulf War, the US beat the enemy's military soo fast that they did not have a proper plan... also the Constitution is not final,they will be able to change and revise it all they want once our presence is long gone....this will ultimately lead to democracy of Iraq but the most importaint thing is that we need to make sure they have a large enough military and police.security force to fend for their selves....
....if you say that Iraq can function today without no coalition troops I shake my head at you...
Hank C Cheyenne said:
shake your head all you want.
Of course Iraq cannot function without "coalition"....( cute!!) aka US troops. that is a no brainer. and That is exactly how the USR wants it.------as the US has NO intentions of ever leaving Iraq entirely. It will continue to maintain its presence there via military bases etc..... and most likely run the gov't from behind the scenes. Just another day in the land of puppets.
everything else is just window dressing and political vernacular. Does not require scratching deep beneath the superficiality of the US spin........to see the real plans and intentions. and they are NOT noble.
Can't believe how many US oriented people CANNOT THINK for themselves. Seems they have bought into the package......and repeat/regurgitate the formula ( recipe) at will. Can't believe how so many actually "believe" what they are "told" .......as gospel.
( sadly, this is why most of the rest of this world thinks that Americans are "stupid" or "dumb". & function like robots. )
Many people consider that the terrorist have already taken over, commencing from March 20, 2003.Nascar_James said:
GL Schmitt said:
absolutely GL. In fact the "terrorists" were granted an engraved invitation via the first bomb the US dropped in Iraq. So of course, now the US "has" to stay in Iraq to quell the terrorism it has created.........all the while entrenching itself further and further into the Iraqi nation. The Iraqis will NOT be free of the US for a very long time..(as was the intent)..........unless something really unpredicatable happens.
(an aside: like your kittie avatar...;-)
finally...great so see you have some logic
...I disagree, once the troops are long gone the Iraqi people (protected by their own security) will be able to amend the constitution all they want....they can vote for anyone they want...the notion that the US will forever have "puppet" control of Iraq is outrageous..its not possible....
....yes currently the US is probably pulling some strings but it is understandable since they are trying to guide the country in the right direction and do it at a rapid pace.... over time there will be less and less involvement by outsiders and Iraqi's will make 100% of Iraqi decesions.....these are just the first parlimentary and constitutuonal votes.... there will be many in the future...these are jsut the seeds... the plant need nothing more than time to grow...
Well Nascar, I for one don't want to see my children caught up in a bullshit war, they're only 7 and 9 now, but this war on so called terrorism will go on for decades as Mr. Cheney put it last week.
Bush and his gang are not planning on stopping with Irag and I have no doubt with the falling recruitment rate, no matter what bullshit he promissed, we will see a Draft.
I'm sorry but I think the Neocons need to look beyond the heals of the boots their licking and take a good look at what's going on in the world, In case you haven't noticed there's an agenda going on here and it's called making slaves out of American citizens.
Maybe you need to read the Patriot Act, all of it, if you would, you might see that it's not for the terrorist, it's for us. And maybe you need to learn the true meaing of FREEDOM and LIBERTY and not what Sean Hannity or FOX news says it is.
I for one will keep pointing out the tyranny in this world and will not fall on the sword like some lap dog for a war mongering president.
its called neocon gold. :lol: :lol: :lol: Ocean don't let pepper kid get to you, he is trolling, same crap over and over again, a tad obvious to kintergarden. hahahhahahahhahha
kintergarden. hahahhahahahhahha
peapod said:its called neocon gold. :lol: :lol: :lol: Ocean don't let pepper kid get to you, he is trolling, same crap over and over again, a tad obvious to
hi sweetie....not to worry.............just toying with the brainwashed. :wink: ( a mental excercise............How many ways to skin a neocon??;-)
RE: Stuck In Baghdad? Yea
It's funny to hear the neo-cons talking about when the US troops will come home. They are building huge, permanent installations in Iraq where the US military will be permanently based.
It's also funny to hear them talking about the Iraqis making decisions. You know the Iraqi government is not allowed to change? The multitude of edicts sent down by Paul Bremer. Those edicts cover everything from terms and conditions of oil sales (that edict looks like it ws written by Exxon) to having to buy seed from Monsanto because, in the land that invented farming, it is now illegal to save seeds to grow next year's crop with.
It's funny to hear the neo-cons talking about when the US troops will come home. They are building huge, permanent installations in Iraq where the US military will be permanently based.
It's also funny to hear them talking about the Iraqis making decisions. You know the Iraqi government is not allowed to change? The multitude of edicts sent down by Paul Bremer. Those edicts cover everything from terms and conditions of oil sales (that edict looks like it ws written by Exxon) to having to buy seed from Monsanto because, in the land that invented farming, it is now illegal to save seeds to grow next year's crop with.
Re: RE: Stuck In Baghdad? Yea
the neocons are so DELUDED , it is frightening. It is like they are living in another universe /zone. Interesting how P.Brmners work.........which is literally carved in stone.....is hardly mentioned. Most of what "we" see is just going through the motions..
Reverend Blair said:
the neocons are so DELUDED , it is frightening. It is like they are living in another universe /zone. Interesting how P.Brmners work.........which is literally carved in stone.....is hardly mentioned. Most of what "we" see is just going through the motions..