Stephen Harper Halted

[DasFX]

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Yes wave your own flag, that way you don't have to stick your head up someone else's ass. Nothing more sickening than a boot licker. :twisted:

If you choose to be afraid of the US, be my guest. I have nothing to fear from them, more to fear from the extreme left in Canada, as a matter of fact. So you don;t like my flags. I don't care.

Who's afraid of the US? I certainly am not. This has nothing to do with fear.

The UK is seen as the US's best friend these days, how many Americans do you think are going around waving the Union Jack around? Friend or no friend, they're not going to be hoisting or parading around any flag other than `old glory'. It's called pride! Most Americans respect other nations, they may even envy some others, but their pride in their country and flag is unwavering.

But hey, if you feel you have some kindred spirit with the US, then go ahead and wave the stars and stripes, but to me, all I see nothing but a wannabe Yank.

 

[peapod]

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An interesting article by Rafe Mair this morning.

Why Tories Can't Win

Duceppe: Tories' ally, and enemy Sorry BC. It's all about Ontario appeasing Quebec.

TheTyee.ca
Don’t blame me, folks, I am merely the messenger, but Stephen Harper and the Tories are not going to win the next election. No way. And I ask you to destroy this after reading in case I’m wrong! But let me tell you why I think the bad old Grits will win again.

 

[missile]

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Agreed! Whether we like them or not,the liberals have a few more terms in office left before there is a major change in our politics. Perhaps,the Real Conservative Party will re surface[here's hoping!]

 

[ottawabill]

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If Stephen really wanted a better nation he would step down. I think Stephen has done a great job of molding a new party, uniting social and economic conservatives and making th conservatives a force. It has now stalled, Stephen is a backroom policy guy, he doesn't work well up front. He is quiet when he should say something, he is cautious when we need bold thoughts. This nation has not had leadership since Trudeau..never agreed with anything he said but boy he didn't hide anything..nor did deifenbaker..That's the type we need. Someone to stand up and tell people not just whats wrong with the Liberals..thing we know that...but rather what their vision is and how they plan on doing it....

There are lots of People who didn't like Mike Harris in Ontario but boy "what he said is what he did" I even know of some NDP friends of mine who respected that.

Shephen go write a paper or something and find a leader to lead the party..It would really make you a great Canadian!!

 

[bluealberta]

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If Stephen really wanted a better nation he would step down. I think Stephen has done a great job of molding a new party, uniting social and economic conservatives and making th conservatives a force. It has now stalled, Stephen is a backroom policy guy, he doesn't work well up front. He is quiet when he should say something, he is cautious when we need bold thoughts. This nation has not had leadership since Trudeau..never agreed with anything he said but boy he didn't hide anything..nor did deifenbaker..That's the type we need. Someone to stand up and tell people not just whats wrong with the Liberals..thing we know that...but rather what their vision is and how they plan on doing it....

There are lots of People who didn't like Mike Harris in Ontario but boy "what he said is what he did" I even know of some NDP friends of mine who respected that.

Shephen go write a paper or something and find a leader to lead the party..It would really make you a great Canadian!!

Unfortunately, I think you are right, the smear job against Harper has worked, and as long as he is leader, the conservatives will not win. Is suspect the next leader will be from the east (Harris?) because that is the only way Ontario or Quebec will vote for the conservatives, instead of having a scarey western person running the party.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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it isn't a smear job. He's done it to himself. Harris isn't the answer either. What you need is to move your party more to the left, especially in terms of social issues.

 

[bluealberta]

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it isn't a smear job. He's done it to himself. Harris isn't the answer either. What you need is to move your party more to the left, especially in terms of social issues.

How many times do you have to be told the conservatives have come far to the left from the reform or alliance. Any further to the left and we would have two liberal parties. We already have one. Why is it necessary in your vision of Canada to have everyone on the left side of the political spectrum?

And the smear job is complete, with hidden agenda lies, lies about destroying health care, lies about putting gays in jail, lies about only having white immigrants, lies about becoming a toady of the US, all spread by leftists and the liberal media, with a couple of notable exceptions.

So I am conceding that smear jobs work. Your hate campaign against Harper worked. Congratulations, no wonder the NDP and its supporters cozy up to the Liberals, they like lies and corruption too.

What a disgusting way to run a country. What a disgusting display of gutter politics from the NDP and Liberals.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Yeah, yeah...try to cover up your inadequacies with bluster and diversion.

 

[bluealberta]

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Yeah, yeah...try to cover up your inadequacies with bluster and diversion.

No, just plain old disgust.

 

[no1important]

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An Interesting link-- Internal trouble

a snippet-

OTTAWA -- A pair of senior communications staffers in Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's office have jumped ship and insiders tell Sun Media more may follow as internal trouble - simmering for weeks - becomes public.........

Here is another- Editorial: Harper hits the skids

a snippet--

What accounts for this dramatic change in the public mood?

Call it the Harper factor.

Instead of capitalizing on the public's anger and disgust over the Liberal scandal, Harper managed to turn the spotlight to himself and his shortcomings by trying to force an immediate election that voters did not want.

 

[no1important]

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Turning to the federal political scene, Stephen Harper has lost significant favour with British Columbians over the last few months. Harper's current approval rating of 38% is down 14-points from March and well below the approval ratings of his rivals Paul Martin (53%, down 5 points) and Jack Layton (63%, up 2 points).

British Columbians appear to have reached some common ground on the performance of two BC MPs who have played prominent roles in national politics over the last few weeks. The reviews are very positive for Surrey North MP Chuck Cadman (63% approve vs. 10% disapprove) and very negative for Newton-North Delta MP Gurmant Grewal (19% approve vs. 62% disapprove). Meanwhile, British Columbians are much more divided in their assessment of Vancouver South MP and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh (47% approve vs. 39% disapprove).

Read the rest here.

 

[damngrumpy]

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For Harper, for the Conservatives and for the state of the official opposition, the affair was a disaster. In just a few short minutes, the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc demonstrated clearly that Harper and his Party are unfit to be the official opposition let alone a government. When all is on the line, no party should ever get snookered that badly, and then insult those who voted against them in the last election.
The Conservatives behaved like children when they lost, it was a repeat of the verbal abuse they heaped on Belinda when she crossed the floor. Sure they had a right to speak their minds, but they went too far, painting her to be a political prostitute. I am surprised that more tories didn't cross the floor.
When Harper was upstaged by the others in the house, it showed he cannot see far enough ahead to take action in the face of a surprise attack or a quick end around by those who want to get things done.
Combine that with the popularity of the budget additions, and the Tories will be lucky to hold onto any region of the country.
Losing the way they did, has set the conservative cause back for the next ten years.

 

[timson]

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For Harper, for the Conservatives and for the state of the official opposition, the affair was a disaster. In just a few short minutes, the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc demonstrated clearly that Harper and his Party are unfit to be the official opposition let alone a government. When all is on the line, no party should ever get snookered that badly, and then insult those who voted against them in the last election.
The Conservatives behaved like children when they lost, it was a repeat of the verbal abuse they heaped on Belinda when she crossed the floor. Sure they had a right to speak their minds, but they went too far, painting her to be a political prostitute. I am surprised that more tories didn't cross the floor.
When Harper was upstaged by the others in the house, it showed he cannot see far enough ahead to take action in the face of a surprise attack or a quick end around by those who want to get things done.
Combine that with the popularity of the budget additions, and the Tories will be lucky to hold onto any region of the country.
Losing the way they did, has set the conservative cause back for the next ten years.

And this is sad but true. Canada needs a strong opposition. I look forward to the day when the real Tories reappear and this regional party of prairie hayseeds goes the way of the dodo.

 

[timson]

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Got the quoting screwed up...hey, I'm a newbie!

 

[snoproblem]

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Maybe it's been written here already (I didn't read the whole thread), but I think it bears repeating.

I don't think it can be underestimated how much damage was done by our neighbours to the South to the Canadian conservative movement. We've all seen that sorry spectacle played out in lurid nightmare colours, then discussed at length on this forum. Along comes Harper and his far-right bible-thumpers - what are we supposed to think? :?

I have never been so grateful to be Canadian (and distanced from the American condition) as I have been since 2000 or so. The absolute last thing I want is to import any of that nonsense here, in any form.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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don't think it can be underestimated how much damage was done by our neighbours to the South to the Canadian conservative movement. We've all seen that sorry spectacle played out in lurid nightmare colours, then discussed at length on this forum. Along comes Harper and his far-right bible-thumpers - what are we supposed to think?

The neo-con movement in the US definitely has a negative effect on the Harperites, Sno. It isn't just the religion think either, it extends to everything from the environment to foreign policy to drug laws. The Conservatives are out of step with most Canadians, but are in step with the worst aspects of US policy.

 

[no1important]

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I don't think it can be underestimated how much damage was done by our neighbours to the South to the Canadian conservative movement. We've all seen that sorry spectacle played out in lurid nightmare colours, then discussed at length on this forum. Along comes Harper and his far-right bible-thumpers - what are we supposed to think? Confused

That is an excellent point.

The people see what "W" does and see that Harper with his policies and the way he and his party shoot their mouths off, people view Harper as a "W" wannabe and will not vote for him because they do not want a "W" clone runnibg the country and it scares a lot of people. Harper and his party are out of touch with reality.