Stephen Harper Halted

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Harper Halted

Cadman is a Conservative, Blue. He wanted to run for your party, but Harper wouldn't let him. Harper then went and tried to buy Cadman's vote when he needed it.

Now you are saying that Cadman, one of the few politicians who is considered fair and honest by the majority of those who know his work, is lying. You are saying that solely because the corruption of Harper and his ites have been brought to light by Cadman.

I am aware of his history. I did not say anything at all like you insinuated. Read it again, and really try to understand that when something is said, it does not mean something else.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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I did not say anything at all like you insinuated.

So I guess you never said,

There is nothing in the Liberals recent past which should lead anyone to believe that nothing was discussed.

I'm not insinuating anything. I am saying, straight out, that you are accusing Chuck Cadman of being a liar and selling his vote to the Liberals because he wouldn't let Stephen Harper buy him and instead voted the way his constituents wanted him to.

 

[bluealberta]

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I did not say anything at all like you insinuated.

So I guess you never said,

There is nothing in the Liberals recent past which should lead anyone to believe that nothing was discussed.

I'm not insinuating anything. I am saying, straight out, that you are accusing Chuck Cadman of being a liar and selling his vote to the Liberals because he wouldn't let Stephen Harper buy him and instead voted the way his constituents wanted him to.

REad again, DM. All I said was that there was nothing to indicate that nothing had been discussed. There may have been and he said no, there may have been with the future payoff down the road, or there may have not been any discussions at all. My comments are directed at the Liberals and their lack of honesty, ethics, integrity and believability. Only a fool would believe that NOTHING was discussed with the Liberals and Cadman.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Harper Halted

If you are accusing the Liberals of buying Cadman, then you accusing Cadman of being untruthful and corrupt. You have no evidence of that, and Cadman's history points to him being honest, but you are making the accusation anyway. It is implicit in your argument.

 

[bluealberta]

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If you are accusing the Liberals of buying Cadman, then you accusing Cadman of being untruthful and corrupt. You have no evidence of that, and Cadman's history points to him being honest, but you are making the accusation anyway. It is implicit in your argument.

You are now being untruthful. Your assumptions from my post are so entirely fictional, you should write books. :roll:

I am accusing the Liberals of lying, cheating, and dishonesty, and have a hard time believing you claim that no discussions were held with Cadman. There is also nothing TO DATE which indicates that any deal with Cadman was made. However, nothng the Liberals do surprises me any more.

 

[The Philosopher]

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I think he may be confusing my allegations with yours. He's mixing a "Centrist" with a "Conservative." It's an easy mistake when you think that what's not a Liberal is a Conservative.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Harper Halted

Your accusations against Cadman are still implicit in your argument. You have no evidence of it.

 

[bluealberta]

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Your accusations against Cadman are still implicit in your argument. You have no evidence of it.

Okay, I give up. YOu want to put words in my mouth just so you can believe it, go right ahead. I did not accuse Cadman of anything, but you see shadows everywhere, so if it makes you feel good to believe delusions, by all means go for it. You also have no evidence they didn't have any discussions, now do you.

 

[bluealberta]

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Your accusations against Cadman are still implicit in your argument. You have no evidence of it.

Okay, I give up. YOu want to put words in my mouth just so you can believe it, go right ahead. I did not accuse Cadman of anything, but you see shadows everywhere, so if it makes you feel good to believe delusions, by all means go for it. You also have no evidence they didn't have any discussions, now do you.

 

[Derry McKinney]

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I'm not putting words in your mouth, merely stating what your words mean.

 

[The Philosopher]

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Actually that is quite the meaning of "putting words in your mouth." If a person tells you what they mean by saying somethng then that is what they mean. Anything else is in fact libel.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Harper Halted

And if he means that the Liberals bought Cadman's vote, then he is also saying that Cadman was corrupt to be bought and is lying about after the fact. You cannot say one without saying the other.

We can, however determine that Harper showed corruption by trying to buy Cadman and that Cadman showed honesty and integrity by refusing to be bought, then exposing the attempt.

 

[bluealberta]

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And if he means that the Liberals bought Cadman's vote, then he is also saying that Cadman was corrupt to be bought and is lying about after the fact. You cannot say one without saying the other.

We can, however determine that Harper showed corruption by trying to buy Cadman and that Cadman showed honesty and integrity by refusing to be bought, then exposing the attempt.

I note with interest that the federal government announced last week they were going to have a review on youth crime. I suppose this is just coincidence, just like they announced troops and money for Darfur (which was refused) just prior to the vote, which just happened to be a pet project of Kilgour. So we have at least determined that Martin showed corruption by trying to by Kilgour and that Kilogour showed hoesty and integrity by refusing to be bought, thus exposing the attempt. :twisted:

 

[Derry McKinney]

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There have been reviews on youth crime several times before, Blue. You are grasping at straws.

 

[bluealberta]

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There have been reviews on youth crime several times before, Blue. You are grasping at straws.

Time will tell. But you do admit that the Liberals tried to buy Kilgour and failed?

 

[Derry McKinney]

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I think if they'd been trying to buy Kilgour, they would have offered a lot more. I think they might have been hoping that by making the announcement when they did that it would sway him, but anybody following the issue had been expecting an announcement since Dallaire's senate position was announced.

Since it was the basic plan that Dallaire has been pushing since before the last election, saying that it was tailored to get Kilgour's vote shows a lack of knowledge of the history of the issue.

 

[Jo Canadian]

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:lol: I haven't been able to find one of Paul Martin yet in the DV suit. If anyone can find one I'd like to know from where.

 

[no1important]

RE: Harper Halted

This Cadman thing just proves to me Harper can not think too far in advance. He failed to realize how popular Chuck is out here and that Chuck Cadman would basically win easily if he ran as an independant. If Harper would of given him an uncontested nomination last time (I am surprised he did not, actually really really surprised) Harper would of had enough votes to bring down Martin.

I met Chuck Cadman years ago when he decided to run for office after his son was murdered and he wanted to go into politics because he honestly believed he could change things, he thought he could make a diference. He was honest and not a bs'er like the rest. He told you straight up, what he thought. Not that I agreed with him much but nevertheless, one knew where he stood. He always said he would do what his constituents wanted. (He may not of had a choice though if he was still a conservative for the budget vote though).

 

[The Philosopher]

RE: Harper Halted

No1, Most politicians tend to have that attitude when they start going in. They all think they are going to change the world, then they realize that to be a part of a party they have to know what they want the most and vote in favor of something they want less to get what they want.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Harper Halted

This Cadman thing just proves to me Harper can not think too far in advance. He failed to realize how popular Chuck is out here and that Chuck Cadman would basically win easily if he ran as an independant. If Harper would of given him an uncontested nomination last time (I am surprised he did not, actually really really surprised) Harper would of had enough votes to bring down Martin.

I met Chuck Cadman years ago when he decided to run for office after his son was murdered and he wanted to go into politics because he honestly believed he could change things, he thought he could make a diference. He was honest and not a bs'er like the rest. He told you straight up, what he thought. Not that I agreed with him much but nevertheless, one knew where he stood. He always said he would do what his constituents wanted. (He may not of had a choice though if he was still a conservative for the budget vote though).

Right or wrong, the conservatives do not appoint people to run in ridings, or parachute people into ridings.