Sponsorship Program - Will of the People paid for?

[tibear]

RB,

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws.

Firstly, let me say I wholehearted agree that it appears like all parties today will do their fair share of grabbing of money that doesn't belong to them.

However, I find it rather low to say Vic Towes just got busted, without saying the whole story. You and I both know that yes there was overspending in his constituency for an election but the overspending was a misunderstanding between his campaign office and the provincial Conservatives. Yes, he should have known and ensured that things didn't happen but it was an oversight. Noone, not even the prosecutors were saying that he delibrately spend more than he knew he should. He was convicted of overspending, period. Let's put the facts in, eh.

 

[tibear]

RB,

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws.

Firstly, let me say I wholehearted agree that it appears like all parties today will do their fair share of grabbing of money that doesn't belong to them.

However, I find it rather low to say Vic Towes just got busted, without saying the whole story. You and I both know that yes there was overspending in his constituency for an election but the overspending was a misunderstanding between his campaign office and the provincial Conservatives. Yes, he should have known and ensured that things didn't happen but it was an oversight. Noone, not even the prosecutors were saying that he delibrately spend more than he knew he should. He was convicted of overspending, period. Let's put the facts in, eh.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

He broke the law, tibear. Conservatives in Manitoba have a bit of a history of having problems with election laws.

If I was driving a car, got pulled over, and the cops found an ounce of dope in my car, would, "I don't know how that got there," be a valid defense? Of course not.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

He broke the law, tibear. Conservatives in Manitoba have a bit of a history of having problems with election laws.

If I was driving a car, got pulled over, and the cops found an ounce of dope in my car, would, "I don't know how that got there," be a valid defense? Of course not.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

He broke the law, tibear. Conservatives in Manitoba have a bit of a history of having problems with election laws.

If I was driving a car, got pulled over, and the cops found an ounce of dope in my car, would, "I don't know how that got there," be a valid defense? Of course not.

 

[tibear]

My contention wasn't that he didn't break the law but that you failed to provide all of the details which in fact did have some bearing on his "level of guilt".

I remember a case involving my wife who was pulled over once for going 20 km/h over the speed limit. It turned out the speed sign had been moved the day before back about 1/2 mile from a town and she didn't even look for it because she had driven on this road thousands of times previously and knew where speed reduced. She went to court and the magistrate agreed that technically she was guilty of speeding and gave her a fine of $20 instead of the $200 fine that she could have gotten.

Your implication(which I'm sure was your intention) was to show Mr Toews as a crooked politician who has no reguard for the law. That may indeed be the case, however, you can't make that judgement on this case because he didn't intend to break the law.

 

[tibear]

My contention wasn't that he didn't break the law but that you failed to provide all of the details which in fact did have some bearing on his "level of guilt".

I remember a case involving my wife who was pulled over once for going 20 km/h over the speed limit. It turned out the speed sign had been moved the day before back about 1/2 mile from a town and she didn't even look for it because she had driven on this road thousands of times previously and knew where speed reduced. She went to court and the magistrate agreed that technically she was guilty of speeding and gave her a fine of $20 instead of the $200 fine that she could have gotten.

Your implication(which I'm sure was your intention) was to show Mr Toews as a crooked politician who has no reguard for the law. That may indeed be the case, however, you can't make that judgement on this case because he didn't intend to break the law.

 

[tibear]

My contention wasn't that he didn't break the law but that you failed to provide all of the details which in fact did have some bearing on his "level of guilt".

I remember a case involving my wife who was pulled over once for going 20 km/h over the speed limit. It turned out the speed sign had been moved the day before back about 1/2 mile from a town and she didn't even look for it because she had driven on this road thousands of times previously and knew where speed reduced. She went to court and the magistrate agreed that technically she was guilty of speeding and gave her a fine of $20 instead of the $200 fine that she could have gotten.

Your implication(which I'm sure was your intention) was to show Mr Toews as a crooked politician who has no reguard for the law. That may indeed be the case, however, you can't make that judgement on this case because he didn't intend to break the law.

 

[Jay]

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

From my point of view.....we live in the New World.

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean. I listen to it, but when Mike Harris was Premier of Ontario, the Harris bashing was so bad I stopped listening to it. It clearly is the back ground noise of the nation, and it is a Liberal propaganda machine. And for the money, they get great value.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Is there a conservative in the CBC building? and I don’t mean the watered down “Joe (I’m a bloody Liberal) Clark ” kind either.

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

CBC world wide broadcasting is a good idea. It promotes information and democracy to other needy nations, no doubt. It’s a better way to spread democracy than Bush’s idea.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…


I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

If you can understand the problem with the Liberals giving the money away to their friends in advertising, why can’t you see they are giving money away to their Liberal friends at the CBC. If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

The CBC is will of the people paid for.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal. I do agree your right when you said

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?



Have a great weekend all!!!!

 

[Jay]

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

From my point of view.....we live in the New World.

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean. I listen to it, but when Mike Harris was Premier of Ontario, the Harris bashing was so bad I stopped listening to it. It clearly is the back ground noise of the nation, and it is a Liberal propaganda machine. And for the money, they get great value.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Is there a conservative in the CBC building? and I don’t mean the watered down “Joe (I’m a bloody Liberal) Clark ” kind either.

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

CBC world wide broadcasting is a good idea. It promotes information and democracy to other needy nations, no doubt. It’s a better way to spread democracy than Bush’s idea.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…


I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

If you can understand the problem with the Liberals giving the money away to their friends in advertising, why can’t you see they are giving money away to their Liberal friends at the CBC. If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

The CBC is will of the people paid for.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal. I do agree your right when you said

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?



Have a great weekend all!!!!

 

[Jay]

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

From my point of view.....we live in the New World.

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean. I listen to it, but when Mike Harris was Premier of Ontario, the Harris bashing was so bad I stopped listening to it. It clearly is the back ground noise of the nation, and it is a Liberal propaganda machine. And for the money, they get great value.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Is there a conservative in the CBC building? and I don’t mean the watered down “Joe (I’m a bloody Liberal) Clark ” kind either.

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

CBC world wide broadcasting is a good idea. It promotes information and democracy to other needy nations, no doubt. It’s a better way to spread democracy than Bush’s idea.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…


I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

If you can understand the problem with the Liberals giving the money away to their friends in advertising, why can’t you see they are giving money away to their Liberal friends at the CBC. If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

The CBC is will of the people paid for.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal. I do agree your right when you said

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?



Have a great weekend all!!!!

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean.

I listen to it almost every day, JJ. It doesn't bleed liberalism at all. It does offer a balanced point of view and address something other than ways for men in suits to take my money. I guess that means it isn't conservative. It does represent the Canadian mainstream though. That puts it in the centre of the political spectrum.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Any government that privatizes the CBC will never be elected again. Do all right-wing extremists live in a bubble of unreality?

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

There are thousands of such stations across this country, JJ. Start another if you like.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…

It still is a good idea. It's a national broadcaster. Just like Austrailia has the ABC and Britain has the BBC. National broadcasters help to keep a country informed. By the way, I do not belong to the Liberal Party and do not vote for them.

I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

Of course you see it that way because your outlook is driven by emotion and rumour instead of reason and fact.

If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

Bill Blaikie. He isn't a member of the Liberal Party either.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal.

You'd be getting the wrong impression then. The Gomery Inquiry is a joke though, and the Conservatives have undermined any serious investigation at this point because they insist on playing politics with this instead of trying to find out the truth.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?

The Conservative record is one of tax cuts for the wealthy and increased taxes for working people, increased debt, more government intervention in people's personal lives.

The NDP have consistently championed human rights and freedoms, plan to shift the tax burden back onto corporations to the same level as the United States, and would reduce long-term government spending on cleaning up after corporations who pollute.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean.

I listen to it almost every day, JJ. It doesn't bleed liberalism at all. It does offer a balanced point of view and address something other than ways for men in suits to take my money. I guess that means it isn't conservative. It does represent the Canadian mainstream though. That puts it in the centre of the political spectrum.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Any government that privatizes the CBC will never be elected again. Do all right-wing extremists live in a bubble of unreality?

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

There are thousands of such stations across this country, JJ. Start another if you like.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…

It still is a good idea. It's a national broadcaster. Just like Austrailia has the ABC and Britain has the BBC. National broadcasters help to keep a country informed. By the way, I do not belong to the Liberal Party and do not vote for them.

I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

Of course you see it that way because your outlook is driven by emotion and rumour instead of reason and fact.

If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

Bill Blaikie. He isn't a member of the Liberal Party either.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal.

You'd be getting the wrong impression then. The Gomery Inquiry is a joke though, and the Conservatives have undermined any serious investigation at this point because they insist on playing politics with this instead of trying to find out the truth.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?

The Conservative record is one of tax cuts for the wealthy and increased taxes for working people, increased debt, more government intervention in people's personal lives.

The NDP have consistently championed human rights and freedoms, plan to shift the tax burden back onto corporations to the same level as the United States, and would reduce long-term government spending on cleaning up after corporations who pollute.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

The CBC bleeds Liberalism. It is perpetuating socialism in this country. All you have to do is listen to Radio One for a few weeks, you'll see what I mean.

I listen to it almost every day, JJ. It doesn't bleed liberalism at all. It does offer a balanced point of view and address something other than ways for men in suits to take my money. I guess that means it isn't conservative. It does represent the Canadian mainstream though. That puts it in the centre of the political spectrum.

We will privatize it, or the right should be offered a similar service.

Any government that privatizes the CBC will never be elected again. Do all right-wing extremists live in a bubble of unreality?

I've been dreaming of late of starting a talk radio station to compete with the CBC. Then they would be in a fickle situation.

There are thousands of such stations across this country, JJ. Start another if you like.

At one point in time the CBC was a good idea. In our vast Dominion, ppl needed to get information, and it couldn't be provided by private companies, in a timely fashion at least. Those days are long over and the CBC has out lived its usefulness, unless you’re a Liberal…

It still is a good idea. It's a national broadcaster. Just like Austrailia has the ABC and Britain has the BBC. National broadcasters help to keep a country informed. By the way, I do not belong to the Liberal Party and do not vote for them.

I see little difference between the CBC and the sponsorship scandal. It is the government giving money away to Liberal friendly advertising agencies.

Of course you see it that way because your outlook is driven by emotion and rumour instead of reason and fact.

If you worked for the CBC, who are you going to vote for?

Bill Blaikie. He isn't a member of the Liberal Party either.

Reading your posts on the scandal though, I don’t get the impression you have a real problem with this scandal.

You'd be getting the wrong impression then. The Gomery Inquiry is a joke though, and the Conservatives have undermined any serious investigation at this point because they insist on playing politics with this instead of trying to find out the truth.

But at least the Conservatives run on campaigns of less tax, less spending, less debt, less government. If the above statement you made is true, remind me again why I should vote left?

The Conservative record is one of tax cuts for the wealthy and increased taxes for working people, increased debt, more government intervention in people's personal lives.

The NDP have consistently championed human rights and freedoms, plan to shift the tax burden back onto corporations to the same level as the United States, and would reduce long-term government spending on cleaning up after corporations who pollute.

 

[passpatoo]

I might not know much but I will tell you this....lean in...

I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting! There is a time and a place to act like a bafoon, and that was not the place. Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money. The amount is to huge that it can be ignored. Even if you are liberal you must demand answers. I feel he should have showed more respect and I don't really find the golf ball stuff all that funny.

I'm with you on this Pea' Chretien's "show and tell time" was innappropriate showboating. Gomery's, "small town cheap" comment may or may not have been out of line, but Jean's grade 2 level response really brought the inquiry down into the gutter.

 

[passpatoo]

I might not know much but I will tell you this....lean in...

I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting! There is a time and a place to act like a bafoon, and that was not the place. Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money. The amount is to huge that it can be ignored. Even if you are liberal you must demand answers. I feel he should have showed more respect and I don't really find the golf ball stuff all that funny.

I'm with you on this Pea' Chretien's "show and tell time" was innappropriate showboating. Gomery's, "small town cheap" comment may or may not have been out of line, but Jean's grade 2 level response really brought the inquiry down into the gutter.

 

[passpatoo]

I might not know much but I will tell you this....lean in...

I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting! There is a time and a place to act like a bafoon, and that was not the place. Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money. The amount is to huge that it can be ignored. Even if you are liberal you must demand answers. I feel he should have showed more respect and I don't really find the golf ball stuff all that funny.

I'm with you on this Pea' Chretien's "show and tell time" was innappropriate showboating. Gomery's, "small town cheap" comment may or may not have been out of line, but Jean's grade 2 level response really brought the inquiry down into the gutter.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

I don't think so at all. Gomery decided that his position was for playing politics with. Chretien responded by playing politics.

Chretien would have looked weak if he didn't respond to Gomery's comments in some fashion. The way he responded was humourous and made the point very clearly.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

I don't think so at all. Gomery decided that his position was for playing politics with. Chretien responded by playing politics.

Chretien would have looked weak if he didn't respond to Gomery's comments in some fashion. The way he responded was humourous and made the point very clearly.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Sponsorship Program -

I don't think so at all. Gomery decided that his position was for playing politics with. Chretien responded by playing politics.

Chretien would have looked weak if he didn't respond to Gomery's comments in some fashion. The way he responded was humourous and made the point very clearly.