Sponsorship Program - Will of the People paid for?

[Jay]

I would rather lose my money than my freedom.

If you don't mind, what freedom exactly are you scared of loosing?

It almost seems like their going to put you in jail or something...

And I suppose I have to ask, why don't you consider being robbed blind loosing freedom?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't go around spouting off the glories of Harper. I speak from the right. I'm sure we have all voted for a party leader who wasn't our favorite bag of chips, because we voted for an ideology. We have to start somewhere.

Harper's ideology is the problem, JJ. Are you saying you share that ideology? If Miguel Figueroa became the leader of the NDP, I'd certainly take my vote elsewhere.

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

No, any American who has enough money and whose Daddy made enough Supreme Court appointments can become president.

Recent history proves it.

No actually, it doesn't. It shows that some people in politics are corrupt. It points to those having ties to business being more likely to be corrupt than those without such ties.

Well I wonder who you thought was funding that? It takes money to make money, as the old say goes.
I'm not sending any politicians money, are you? I think I give those folks enough money otherwise. So it’s coming from somewhere...

I've sent them money, I've donated my time. I've partaken in the political process. Apparently you not only haven't done that, but feel that it's somehow beneath you.

But this doesn't negate the fact the government writes law; the corporations don't.

No, the corporations just buy the government and tell them what laws to write. It's all above board and legal, so you seem to feel that's okay.

If you believe this is being circumvented, then you must accept the fact most politicians lie, because no one is running around campaigning on circumventing democracy.

What the hell do you think they mean when they spew all that pro-business rhetoric?

In order to keep jobs in Canada we need competitive tax rates for corporations. We don't all work for the government. Also remember the “no taxation without representation”. If corporations don’t pay taxes they need not be represented.

We already have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the developed world, JJ. Look it up.

The people who own and operate corporations are fully represented by government. Giving corporations the amount of input and control that we have amounts to them being far over-represented.

We need less government. If the tax burden has been moved to the working classes, then I feel even more justified in my wanting a fiscally responsible conservative government who will run on platforms of leanness, tax reduction, less socialism, more freedom, with a clear understanding of provincial powers.

So you'll be joining the NDP then?

I haven’t received any lower wages lately,

Real wages, what you can buy with the money that you earn, have been shrinking for decades. They are still shrinking even while your beloved corporations earn record profits, pay fewer taxes than ever, and give their CEOs record bonuses even if they lose money.

but having an unemployment rate of 7% and insisting we need to bring in immigrants to fill jobs can't be helping wages go up.

I see...that woman who is trained as a bank teller that just got laid off in spite of another year of record profits should strap on a tool belt and become a construction worker. Do you have any idea of how the job market actually works?

And I can't imagine your saying corrupt corporations are making environmental disasters? Dumping oil onto the sea and such?

Both illegally and through their massive lobbying to keep the government from cbringing more stringent reguilations.

Really these are government responsibilities and have nothing to do with private padded expense accounts and free candy for The CEO.

But you want to do away with government. The watchdog agencies have already been cut to the point where they can't fulfill their mandates. Everytime the government tries to bring in regulations to address problems being caused by the corporations you and people like you scream bloody murder.

I simply want the governments to abide by the constitution, understand we are a people first and not a government.

And yet you support the Conservatives, who are attacking the constitution and tryin to control who marries who.

The Sponsorship Program is merely icing on the cake. It just goes to show why they can’t be trusted with more than a few nickels to provide some basic services and fireworks at the end of the year.

Why, because you don't like their programs? You'd rather have Harper spending it on some morality squad?

I don’t buy the "this country is turning more to the left in the past 10 years".

Well, I wouldn't want you to have spend any of your hard-earned money. That is what has shown up in poll after poll after poll though.

It has more to do with the fact the split right vote hasn't been able to muster up the unity and power to have a solid voice in the past ten years.

No they haven't because Harper and cohorts are too far right and do not represent the majority of the Canadian people. The PCs became regressive instead of progressive under Mulroney, but the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are way beyond regressive. They are basically a bunch of back-woods hillbillies who want Canada to be a mini-me of the US. Most Canadians, as polls and election show, find that idea repulsive.

With the way Harper addressed issues during the last election, it appeared to me at least he had allot in common with the BQ message of provincial jurisdiction.

But that's all they had in common. It is highly unlikely that the Conservatives will win a single seat in Quebec with Harper, or anybody else from that part of the party, as leader. It is also highly unlikely that they will make an serious inroads into Ontario.

The Liberals don't; and as long as separatism is on the decrease and the Liberals pursue silly plans like a national day care system, the right is going to start to become an attractive place to place a vote

With over 50% of Canadian children in some sort of daycare, a national daycare program is going to bring in a lot more votes than it loses. Again, you are out of step with the Canadian people.

I don't think the liberals can count on tons of votes that go to the BQ if the climate becomes different in Quebec. Unless of coarse they buy them.

They don't count on them now. Bloq seats go to the Bloq. If the BQ collapsed tomorrow those seats would be divided between the Liberals and the NDP. The BQ is a socially progressive party, that's where a lot of there support comes from. The seats the Liberals still have in Quebec are safe. They might go to a progressive conservative government, but they won't go to the Harperites.

The Conservatives had a good shot at forming the government the second last election too. If I'm not mistaken the right would have taken that if it was under one umbrella

You're mistaken. The Liberals had a large majority after that election. Even if they hadn't though, a lot of progressive conservatives will not support a socially conservative party, especially when the Liberals run from the left and govern from the right.

People had money and jobs under Chretien, because of Mulroney's policies. Not from their own. Quebec’s GDP went up some 80% after NAFTA I read somewhere.

People had money and jobs under Chretien because the Liberals got the deficit under control and let the dollar sink below the seventy cent level. They cut interest rates. They made Canadians feel positive about their country again.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't go around spouting off the glories of Harper. I speak from the right. I'm sure we have all voted for a party leader who wasn't our favorite bag of chips, because we voted for an ideology. We have to start somewhere.

Harper's ideology is the problem, JJ. Are you saying you share that ideology? If Miguel Figueroa became the leader of the NDP, I'd certainly take my vote elsewhere.

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

No, any American who has enough money and whose Daddy made enough Supreme Court appointments can become president.

Recent history proves it.

No actually, it doesn't. It shows that some people in politics are corrupt. It points to those having ties to business being more likely to be corrupt than those without such ties.

Well I wonder who you thought was funding that? It takes money to make money, as the old say goes.
I'm not sending any politicians money, are you? I think I give those folks enough money otherwise. So it’s coming from somewhere...

I've sent them money, I've donated my time. I've partaken in the political process. Apparently you not only haven't done that, but feel that it's somehow beneath you.

But this doesn't negate the fact the government writes law; the corporations don't.

No, the corporations just buy the government and tell them what laws to write. It's all above board and legal, so you seem to feel that's okay.

If you believe this is being circumvented, then you must accept the fact most politicians lie, because no one is running around campaigning on circumventing democracy.

What the hell do you think they mean when they spew all that pro-business rhetoric?

In order to keep jobs in Canada we need competitive tax rates for corporations. We don't all work for the government. Also remember the “no taxation without representation”. If corporations don’t pay taxes they need not be represented.

We already have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the developed world, JJ. Look it up.

The people who own and operate corporations are fully represented by government. Giving corporations the amount of input and control that we have amounts to them being far over-represented.

We need less government. If the tax burden has been moved to the working classes, then I feel even more justified in my wanting a fiscally responsible conservative government who will run on platforms of leanness, tax reduction, less socialism, more freedom, with a clear understanding of provincial powers.

So you'll be joining the NDP then?

I haven’t received any lower wages lately,

Real wages, what you can buy with the money that you earn, have been shrinking for decades. They are still shrinking even while your beloved corporations earn record profits, pay fewer taxes than ever, and give their CEOs record bonuses even if they lose money.

but having an unemployment rate of 7% and insisting we need to bring in immigrants to fill jobs can't be helping wages go up.

I see...that woman who is trained as a bank teller that just got laid off in spite of another year of record profits should strap on a tool belt and become a construction worker. Do you have any idea of how the job market actually works?

And I can't imagine your saying corrupt corporations are making environmental disasters? Dumping oil onto the sea and such?

Both illegally and through their massive lobbying to keep the government from cbringing more stringent reguilations.

Really these are government responsibilities and have nothing to do with private padded expense accounts and free candy for The CEO.

But you want to do away with government. The watchdog agencies have already been cut to the point where they can't fulfill their mandates. Everytime the government tries to bring in regulations to address problems being caused by the corporations you and people like you scream bloody murder.

I simply want the governments to abide by the constitution, understand we are a people first and not a government.

And yet you support the Conservatives, who are attacking the constitution and tryin to control who marries who.

The Sponsorship Program is merely icing on the cake. It just goes to show why they can’t be trusted with more than a few nickels to provide some basic services and fireworks at the end of the year.

Why, because you don't like their programs? You'd rather have Harper spending it on some morality squad?

I don’t buy the "this country is turning more to the left in the past 10 years".

Well, I wouldn't want you to have spend any of your hard-earned money. That is what has shown up in poll after poll after poll though.

It has more to do with the fact the split right vote hasn't been able to muster up the unity and power to have a solid voice in the past ten years.

No they haven't because Harper and cohorts are too far right and do not represent the majority of the Canadian people. The PCs became regressive instead of progressive under Mulroney, but the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are way beyond regressive. They are basically a bunch of back-woods hillbillies who want Canada to be a mini-me of the US. Most Canadians, as polls and election show, find that idea repulsive.

With the way Harper addressed issues during the last election, it appeared to me at least he had allot in common with the BQ message of provincial jurisdiction.

But that's all they had in common. It is highly unlikely that the Conservatives will win a single seat in Quebec with Harper, or anybody else from that part of the party, as leader. It is also highly unlikely that they will make an serious inroads into Ontario.

The Liberals don't; and as long as separatism is on the decrease and the Liberals pursue silly plans like a national day care system, the right is going to start to become an attractive place to place a vote

With over 50% of Canadian children in some sort of daycare, a national daycare program is going to bring in a lot more votes than it loses. Again, you are out of step with the Canadian people.

I don't think the liberals can count on tons of votes that go to the BQ if the climate becomes different in Quebec. Unless of coarse they buy them.

They don't count on them now. Bloq seats go to the Bloq. If the BQ collapsed tomorrow those seats would be divided between the Liberals and the NDP. The BQ is a socially progressive party, that's where a lot of there support comes from. The seats the Liberals still have in Quebec are safe. They might go to a progressive conservative government, but they won't go to the Harperites.

The Conservatives had a good shot at forming the government the second last election too. If I'm not mistaken the right would have taken that if it was under one umbrella

You're mistaken. The Liberals had a large majority after that election. Even if they hadn't though, a lot of progressive conservatives will not support a socially conservative party, especially when the Liberals run from the left and govern from the right.

People had money and jobs under Chretien, because of Mulroney's policies. Not from their own. Quebec’s GDP went up some 80% after NAFTA I read somewhere.

People had money and jobs under Chretien because the Liberals got the deficit under control and let the dollar sink below the seventy cent level. They cut interest rates. They made Canadians feel positive about their country again.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't go around spouting off the glories of Harper. I speak from the right. I'm sure we have all voted for a party leader who wasn't our favorite bag of chips, because we voted for an ideology. We have to start somewhere.

Harper's ideology is the problem, JJ. Are you saying you share that ideology? If Miguel Figueroa became the leader of the NDP, I'd certainly take my vote elsewhere.

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

No, any American who has enough money and whose Daddy made enough Supreme Court appointments can become president.

Recent history proves it.

No actually, it doesn't. It shows that some people in politics are corrupt. It points to those having ties to business being more likely to be corrupt than those without such ties.

Well I wonder who you thought was funding that? It takes money to make money, as the old say goes.
I'm not sending any politicians money, are you? I think I give those folks enough money otherwise. So it’s coming from somewhere...

I've sent them money, I've donated my time. I've partaken in the political process. Apparently you not only haven't done that, but feel that it's somehow beneath you.

But this doesn't negate the fact the government writes law; the corporations don't.

No, the corporations just buy the government and tell them what laws to write. It's all above board and legal, so you seem to feel that's okay.

If you believe this is being circumvented, then you must accept the fact most politicians lie, because no one is running around campaigning on circumventing democracy.

What the hell do you think they mean when they spew all that pro-business rhetoric?

In order to keep jobs in Canada we need competitive tax rates for corporations. We don't all work for the government. Also remember the “no taxation without representation”. If corporations don’t pay taxes they need not be represented.

We already have some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the developed world, JJ. Look it up.

The people who own and operate corporations are fully represented by government. Giving corporations the amount of input and control that we have amounts to them being far over-represented.

We need less government. If the tax burden has been moved to the working classes, then I feel even more justified in my wanting a fiscally responsible conservative government who will run on platforms of leanness, tax reduction, less socialism, more freedom, with a clear understanding of provincial powers.

So you'll be joining the NDP then?

I haven’t received any lower wages lately,

Real wages, what you can buy with the money that you earn, have been shrinking for decades. They are still shrinking even while your beloved corporations earn record profits, pay fewer taxes than ever, and give their CEOs record bonuses even if they lose money.

but having an unemployment rate of 7% and insisting we need to bring in immigrants to fill jobs can't be helping wages go up.

I see...that woman who is trained as a bank teller that just got laid off in spite of another year of record profits should strap on a tool belt and become a construction worker. Do you have any idea of how the job market actually works?

And I can't imagine your saying corrupt corporations are making environmental disasters? Dumping oil onto the sea and such?

Both illegally and through their massive lobbying to keep the government from cbringing more stringent reguilations.

Really these are government responsibilities and have nothing to do with private padded expense accounts and free candy for The CEO.

But you want to do away with government. The watchdog agencies have already been cut to the point where they can't fulfill their mandates. Everytime the government tries to bring in regulations to address problems being caused by the corporations you and people like you scream bloody murder.

I simply want the governments to abide by the constitution, understand we are a people first and not a government.

And yet you support the Conservatives, who are attacking the constitution and tryin to control who marries who.

The Sponsorship Program is merely icing on the cake. It just goes to show why they can’t be trusted with more than a few nickels to provide some basic services and fireworks at the end of the year.

Why, because you don't like their programs? You'd rather have Harper spending it on some morality squad?

I don’t buy the "this country is turning more to the left in the past 10 years".

Well, I wouldn't want you to have spend any of your hard-earned money. That is what has shown up in poll after poll after poll though.

It has more to do with the fact the split right vote hasn't been able to muster up the unity and power to have a solid voice in the past ten years.

No they haven't because Harper and cohorts are too far right and do not represent the majority of the Canadian people. The PCs became regressive instead of progressive under Mulroney, but the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are way beyond regressive. They are basically a bunch of back-woods hillbillies who want Canada to be a mini-me of the US. Most Canadians, as polls and election show, find that idea repulsive.

With the way Harper addressed issues during the last election, it appeared to me at least he had allot in common with the BQ message of provincial jurisdiction.

But that's all they had in common. It is highly unlikely that the Conservatives will win a single seat in Quebec with Harper, or anybody else from that part of the party, as leader. It is also highly unlikely that they will make an serious inroads into Ontario.

The Liberals don't; and as long as separatism is on the decrease and the Liberals pursue silly plans like a national day care system, the right is going to start to become an attractive place to place a vote

With over 50% of Canadian children in some sort of daycare, a national daycare program is going to bring in a lot more votes than it loses. Again, you are out of step with the Canadian people.

I don't think the liberals can count on tons of votes that go to the BQ if the climate becomes different in Quebec. Unless of coarse they buy them.

They don't count on them now. Bloq seats go to the Bloq. If the BQ collapsed tomorrow those seats would be divided between the Liberals and the NDP. The BQ is a socially progressive party, that's where a lot of there support comes from. The seats the Liberals still have in Quebec are safe. They might go to a progressive conservative government, but they won't go to the Harperites.

The Conservatives had a good shot at forming the government the second last election too. If I'm not mistaken the right would have taken that if it was under one umbrella

You're mistaken. The Liberals had a large majority after that election. Even if they hadn't though, a lot of progressive conservatives will not support a socially conservative party, especially when the Liberals run from the left and govern from the right.

People had money and jobs under Chretien, because of Mulroney's policies. Not from their own. Quebec’s GDP went up some 80% after NAFTA I read somewhere.

People had money and jobs under Chretien because the Liberals got the deficit under control and let the dollar sink below the seventy cent level. They cut interest rates. They made Canadians feel positive about their country again.

 

[zenfisher]

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

Providing Daddy can afford to pay for it. Do you really believe that the average jo blow American could become President? How can you be that naive ? Even Clinton from the humblest of roots ... was a lawyer. You Need Cash to buy your way into the Presidency down here. That is true of Canada as well. Money can translate itself into power. George Bush does not inspire people ...he intimidates them. That is not leadership. That is merely bullying people until they have been beaten so badly they support your point of view.If ant American can become president...I know a couple of indigent geniuses down here I want you to try and get on the Republican ticket in 2008.

 

[zenfisher]

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

Providing Daddy can afford to pay for it. Do you really believe that the average jo blow American could become President? How can you be that naive ? Even Clinton from the humblest of roots ... was a lawyer. You Need Cash to buy your way into the Presidency down here. That is true of Canada as well. Money can translate itself into power. George Bush does not inspire people ...he intimidates them. That is not leadership. That is merely bullying people until they have been beaten so badly they support your point of view.If ant American can become president...I know a couple of indigent geniuses down here I want you to try and get on the Republican ticket in 2008.

 

[zenfisher]

George Bush isn't hero material. However, George Bush seems to me to be one of the finest examples of an American ideal; any American can become President.

Providing Daddy can afford to pay for it. Do you really believe that the average jo blow American could become President? How can you be that naive ? Even Clinton from the humblest of roots ... was a lawyer. You Need Cash to buy your way into the Presidency down here. That is true of Canada as well. Money can translate itself into power. George Bush does not inspire people ...he intimidates them. That is not leadership. That is merely bullying people until they have been beaten so badly they support your point of view.If ant American can become president...I know a couple of indigent geniuses down here I want you to try and get on the Republican ticket in 2008.

 

[tibear]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power. They vote not for the party they want to win but rather against the party they don;t want to win.

That's what the Liberal count on and that's how the Liberals campaign.

RB, as for saying it was Kim Campbell that was defeated in 1992, she was dead long before the election call was made. When the people voted, they didn't vote against Kim Campbell, they voted against the Conservatives that were seen as corrupt under Mulroney. The conservatives could have had Jesus Christ as their leader and they wouldn't have had a chance. The people we angry with the Conservatives for the GST and Free Trade and the Liberals said they would get rid of them. Those three items, Hatred of Conservatives, GST and Free Trade won the election for the Liberals.

The Liberals continue to do nothing but spread fear about the conservatives because it was worked in the past. And why should they change it is a strategy that has worked for the past 12 years and until the people decide they want a party that will lead rather than scare people about alternatives, things will never change.

 

[tibear]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power. They vote not for the party they want to win but rather against the party they don;t want to win.

That's what the Liberal count on and that's how the Liberals campaign.

RB, as for saying it was Kim Campbell that was defeated in 1992, she was dead long before the election call was made. When the people voted, they didn't vote against Kim Campbell, they voted against the Conservatives that were seen as corrupt under Mulroney. The conservatives could have had Jesus Christ as their leader and they wouldn't have had a chance. The people we angry with the Conservatives for the GST and Free Trade and the Liberals said they would get rid of them. Those three items, Hatred of Conservatives, GST and Free Trade won the election for the Liberals.

The Liberals continue to do nothing but spread fear about the conservatives because it was worked in the past. And why should they change it is a strategy that has worked for the past 12 years and until the people decide they want a party that will lead rather than scare people about alternatives, things will never change.

 

[tibear]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power. They vote not for the party they want to win but rather against the party they don;t want to win.

That's what the Liberal count on and that's how the Liberals campaign.

RB, as for saying it was Kim Campbell that was defeated in 1992, she was dead long before the election call was made. When the people voted, they didn't vote against Kim Campbell, they voted against the Conservatives that were seen as corrupt under Mulroney. The conservatives could have had Jesus Christ as their leader and they wouldn't have had a chance. The people we angry with the Conservatives for the GST and Free Trade and the Liberals said they would get rid of them. Those three items, Hatred of Conservatives, GST and Free Trade won the election for the Liberals.

The Liberals continue to do nothing but spread fear about the conservatives because it was worked in the past. And why should they change it is a strategy that has worked for the past 12 years and until the people decide they want a party that will lead rather than scare people about alternatives, things will never change.

 

[peapod]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yes tibear its because of peapod the liberals got in :lol: I am certainly not alone in my desire not to see religious zealots running the country.. where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power :lol: :lol: :lol: I simply mark my X tibear....I leave the zealot stuff to people like you :wink:

 

[peapod]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yes tibear its because of peapod the liberals got in :lol: I am certainly not alone in my desire not to see religious zealots running the country.. where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power :lol: :lol: :lol: I simply mark my X tibear....I leave the zealot stuff to people like you :wink:

 

[peapod]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod. They openly admit that they would do anything to prevent the Conservatives from getting into power.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yes tibear its because of peapod the liberals got in :lol: I am certainly not alone in my desire not to see religious zealots running the country.. where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power :lol: :lol: :lol: I simply mark my X tibear....I leave the zealot stuff to people like you :wink:

 

[tibear]

Peapod

where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power

Direct from your post:

I would rather be robbed blind than let someone like steven harper prime minister of canada.

 

[tibear]

Peapod

where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power

Direct from your post:

I would rather be robbed blind than let someone like steven harper prime minister of canada.

 

[tibear]

Peapod

where did I openly admit I would do anything to prevent conseratives from getting into power

Direct from your post:

I would rather be robbed blind than let someone like steven harper prime minister of canada.

 

[peapod]

Thats true given the choice of being robbed by liberals or having a religious zealot in power...I prefer the robbery. I would much rather not have to make a choice like that at all...

However you said i would do ANYTHING! and that implies a whole lot...anything is a mulitude...and well there are just some things I won't do for anybody :wink:

 

[peapod]

Thats true given the choice of being robbed by liberals or having a religious zealot in power...I prefer the robbery. I would much rather not have to make a choice like that at all...

However you said i would do ANYTHING! and that implies a whole lot...anything is a mulitude...and well there are just some things I won't do for anybody :wink:

 

[peapod]

Thats true given the choice of being robbed by liberals or having a religious zealot in power...I prefer the robbery. I would much rather not have to make a choice like that at all...

However you said i would do ANYTHING! and that implies a whole lot...anything is a mulitude...and well there are just some things I won't do for anybody :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

The only reason the Liberals are still in power is because of people like SirKevin and Peapod.

No, the reason that the Liberals are still in power is because they are in the centre of the political spectrum. Their election platforms stand on social issues they take from the NDP, and they stand on a fiscal record that is far better than Mulroney's and economists are more far more sure of than Harper's proposed policies.

In other words the Liberals run from the left and govern from the right.

The Liberals continue to do nothing but spread fear about the conservatives because it was worked in the past.

The Conservatives spread the fear themselves. All the Liberals do is point and nod.

And why should they change it is a strategy that has worked for the past 12 years and until the people decide they want a party that will lead rather than scare people about alternatives, things will never change.

The Conservatives don't lead. There are no leaders in the party. Harper is a policy wonk...a backroom boy who has quit politics twice because he didn't get his way. He's a petulant child, not a leader. That's a large part of their problem because it leaves them practicing attack politics and looking for scandals instead of dealing with real issues that aren't divisive for the party and the country.

RB, as for saying it was Kim Campbell that was defeated in 1992, she was dead long before the election call was made.

Funny, I saw her on TV just a little while ago. Not only is she still alive, but she's still politically active. She works with a group of world business and political leaders in developing proposed policies.

I can't say I agree with her, but she's very much alive and very much working in a positive way instead of telling people who they can have sex with.

When the people voted, they didn't vote against Kim Campbell, they voted against the Conservatives that were seen as corrupt under Mulroney.

So obviously, by those criteria, Harper should have won a landslide victory in the last election.

The conservatives could have had Jesus Christ as their leader and they wouldn't have had a chance.

If you read the words attributed to Jesus in the Bible, I think you'll find that he'd avoid the Conservatives like the plague. He might run for the NDP though. 8)

The people we angry with the Conservatives for the GST and Free Trade and the Liberals said they would get rid of them. Those three items, Hatred of Conservatives, GST and Free Trade won the election for the Liberals.

If that's all there was to it then Layton would have won the last election in a landslide. People don't like Liberals much, want lower taxes, and have serious questions about Liberal trade policies. There are regional concerns (especially in Quebec); long-standing voting patterns; sociologic patterns; myths, half-truths and outright lies; press coverage and bias; public perception of leadership abilities; issues and how they pertain to demographics; and a plethora of other things that influence elections.

The Conservative attempts to use attack politics because oftheir mistaken belief that is what got them booted out office a decade ago is laughable. It shows a complete lack of understanding of politics beyond attacking others and it has caused a huge imbalance in Canadian politics.