Something bothering me on the news ...

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It seems its getting worse all across the country :? Why is the goverment and police doing nothing I mean c'mon its not to hard to tell who's dealing the drugs around here .there 20 somethings driving around in 60,000 dollar trucks with all the toys and they never work 8O Wheres revenue Canada ?These guys don't pay tax but the buy these trucks and toys and leave reciepts all over the place . :? It would not take much for them to start pointing fingers at these guys


Junkies are probably easier to bust. :roll:

Dealers are pretty paranoid, it probably wouldn't take much to get rid of one. Just the mention of the cops watching them is enough for them to tripple lock their doors and tin foil their windows. Play around with their weeknesses. :lol:
 

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Ah said you nasty girl you :lol: :lol: :wink: I think i miht just have to do that with one of the local pukes oops i mean punks :wink:
 

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mrmom2 said:
Ah said you nasty girl you :lol: :lol: :wink: I think i miht just have to do that with one of the local pukes oops i mean punks :wink:

Do it! It's the only way to get rid of them. Make up some story about someone looking in their yard, they'll break out into a cold sweat. Nothing penetrates into their thick heads except the threat of jail time. I've never seen people who live in such fear of being arrested.
 

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RE: Something bothering m

My brother got hooked on this shit and thats what it is. He "cashed in" his house and blew $150,000 from that and 10,000 from selling his Van in 3 years from doing crack. His wife and son left him. He made it so hard for any of us that we do not talk to him anymore.

After trying to help for so long, and any hint of improvement is gone the minute he gets cash as it goes right to buying a rock. He won't get help. The family(me, mother and siblings) paid his rent for 3 months bought him food but he will do nothing to help himself. So, sadly we all ignore him. I do not know what else we could do. He was alwayd phoning for money/food and we even bought him a cell phone and he sold it for rock.

Hopefully one day he will wake up and smell the coffee. He has a son for crying in the lake but I guess crack does not let you see the important things in life.

Apparently you can get a rock for 20 bucks. He know lives in a dungey basement suite on Welfare. He had it all, so to speak and now has nothing but even after losing it all he says he has no problem and is not a drug addict. He blames all his problems on everyone but him self. We offered to drive him to treatment and pay for a rehab facility. (We had it all set up (more than once) but he will not go, "as he has no problem") Even called 911 and got him into hospital but he left after 2 days, no way to force an adult into treatment. Like wtf?

That Crack is nasty and apparently it only takes one hit or dose and your mind is already "changed" and even addicted for, what amounts to a very short high. ( I heard its a 10-15 minute high? I never did it myself so I don't know how long the high lasts)

Now meth is going to cause a lot of the same problems (it already has, in my opinion) and it is cheaper, to boot.

Whats needed is more treatment facilities so when people need help they can get off or some mechanism to more strongly encourage people who are addicted to crack, meth etc to seek treatment. Jail does not help addicts.
 

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no1important said:
My brother got hooked on this shit and thats what it is. He "cashed in" his house and blew $150,000 from that and 10,000 from selling his Van in 3 years from doing crack. His wife and son left him. He made it so hard for any of us that we do not talk to him anymore.

After trying to help for so long, and any hint of improvement is gone the minute he gets cash as it goes right to buying a rock. He won't get help. The family(me, mother and siblings) paid his rent for 3 months bought him food but he will do nothing to help himself. So, sadly we all ignore him. I do not know what else we could do. He was alwayd phoning for money/food and we even bought him a cell phone and he sold it for rock.

Hopefully one day he will wake up and smell the coffee. He has a son for crying in the lake but I guess crack does not let you see the important things in life.

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Oh my god, that sounds so familiar....except we're dealing with alcohol and video gambling
 

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no1important said:
My brother got hooked on this shit and thats what it is. He "cashed in" his house and blew $150,000 from that and 10,000 from selling his Van in 3 years from doing crack. His wife and son left him. He made it so hard for any of us that we do not talk to him anymore.

After trying to help for so long, and any hint of improvement is gone the minute he gets cash as it goes right to buying a rock. He won't get help. The family(me, mother and siblings) paid his rent for 3 months bought him food but he will do nothing to help himself. So, sadly we all ignore him. I do not know what else we could do. He was alwayd phoning for money/food and we even bought him a cell phone and he sold it for rock.

Hopefully one day he will wake up and smell the coffee. He has a son for crying in the lake but I guess crack does not let you see the important things in life.

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Oh my god, that sounds so familiar....except we're dealing with alcohol and video gambling
 

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RE: Something bothering m

A member of our family became addicted to crack,committed a horrendous crime and served a lengthy prison sentence.The reverberations are still being felt by all family members.
We have,of course,talked repeatedly amongst ourselves,trying to figure out the "impossible" WHY?.
Was it the fact that his Mom and Dad separated when he was 3? Was it the birth of his younger sister? Shouldn't we have recognized that he had few friends,as a youngster?
Should we blame the justice system,which constantly gave him a light knuckle rap for his juvenile thefts?
Of course,for each of these scenarios,there are thousands of children who have done well.
We have discovered that guilt is a useless emotion...solves nothing and does nothing for the "addict",except,perhaps enable them.
All we can do is be supportive of him...but,as an adult, the ball is in his court.
 

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annabattler said:
Of course,for each of these scenarios,there are thousands of children who have done well.
We have discovered that guilt is a useless emotion...solves nothing and does nothing for the "addict",except,perhaps enable them.
All we can do is be supportive of him...but,as an adult, the ball is in his court.

I agree completely. At some point, my personal support runs out, after having been abused and taken advantage of too many times.

"as an adult, the ball is in his court".....so true, yet so unpopular these days.
 

Twila

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I think that it is extremely important to be aware of which drug the local junkies are on.

Heroin and meth addicts are NOT frightened off by locals. Likely they'll take a bat to you and your family and your possessions.

Crack addicts are an entirely different breed. Cocaine makes you weak and subservient. They don't care about anything except looking for rocks.

How to tell the difference between a crack, meth or heroin addict? Physically no difference.

My ex is a heroin addict. He's been pepper sprayed. Doesn't bother him. Once he's mad (once you've interferred with his high) you can only run. He's not worried about jail. Spent most of his life there. Know's the people.

Long term users of any drug will have spent time in jail. Going back means a vacation. THey all hope for 2yrs plus a day so they can go do federal time. They can go to Club Head in Metchosin. Do some fishing.....relax....watch a play (WHO on stage)

I'd be very very careful jerking their chains. Some are slightly out of their mind......
 

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Picture this: beside the electric toothbrushes at your local chemist, you can pick up complete kits of syringes, needles, cotton balls, lighters, rubber tying-off cords and cute stainless-steel spoons - all vacuum-sealed in plastic. Just as you can request some high-strength cortisone cream to treat that pesky eczema on your shin, you can ask your GP for heroin. Thus you can hand the pharmacist an NHS prescription for a two-week supply of commercial opiates (let's say Merck's version is called Scagodrine), inviting nary a raised eyebrow. As with all NHS prescriptions, your co-payment will only amount to about £6.50. You can walk out of the chemist with your Boots Home Works Kit and Scagodrine (bagged into single dosages whose potency is printed on the box), and wave to the bobby on the corner. He'll wave back.

Are you, in your mind's eye, scampering down to your nearest surgery for that prescription, and racing off to Boots? Perhaps you're thinking, "Blimey, all this time I haven't been an intravenous drug addict because heroin is against the law! If I wouldn't get arrested, I'd spend every day in an apathetic swoon, alienate my friends and lose my job!"
Most of us aren't heroin addicts because we don't want to be heroin addicts. Or coke heads or meth freaks. The people who do want to be junkies are junkies. Were hard drugs decriminalised, it's dubious that consumption would appreciably rise.

Which is why Lib Dem MP Chris Davies's calling for the legalisation and regulation of hard drugs last week really shouldn't qualify as "brave". Nor should Lord Birt's now partially leaked 2003 report on UK drug policy qualify as "controversial". The report's assertions make common sense: for drug cartels, government seizures are merely a modest line-item in their budgets; the "maximum" - meaning, farcically optimistic - estimate of drug seizures runs to 25% of total supply. Confiscation only serves to drive up the street price of hard drugs and so benefits their purveyors. Therefore, even more effective narcotics enforcement would simply push users into stealing yet more DVD players to fund costlier habits.

Alas, common sense is in short supply on this matter. The west's prohibition approach to drugs is as entrenched as it is idiotic. Davies and Birt are pissing in the wind. So, by the way, am I. But I've nothing else to do this afternoon, so let's fritter away my time.

It would be nice if everyone were happy and good. If everyone were a productive member of society, reliably rising to greet the morning, bursting into song and eager for the day ahead. If we all took such joy in the miracle of sheer being that it would never enter our heads to try to fuzzy up a single blade of grass.

But government can't manifest this healthy look-life-square-in-the-eye by fiat. Frankly, most of us need to take the edge off once in a while - or put it on. Get a buzz from a cup of coffee or a few drags of a fag. Put our feet up with a glass of cabernet or sink into the sofa with a cognac before bed. Plenty of folks in my boomer generation still suck on the odd spliff in the privacy of their living rooms, and the sky doesn't fall when they do.

If most of us tinker with our consciousness on occasion, a subsection of our fellows finds raw reality not just hard to take, but unbearable. Whether to induce exhilaration or oblivion, the compounds are out there to do the job, and these people, by hook or by crook, are going to get their mitts on those drugs.

There may be a set percentage of the population determined to throw their lives away. Calling drug abuse a "victimless crime" may be a misnomer, for you can victimise yourself. Be that as it may, we've plenty of evidence by now that it costs a society far more to try to stop people from "self-medicating" than to let them. It's hard enough to protect people from each other; it's impossible to protect people from themselves.

Davies was dead sound in calling for an end to drug prohibition in the name of mere "harm reduction". There's no good answer here. But the costs of this puritanical thou-shalt-not are gobsmacking. We've delivered whole countries such as Afghanistan largely into the hands of crooks. Internationally, we've created a massive shadow economy out of the reach of the law. On the US-Mexico border, murderous battles between rival drug gangs are getting so out of hand that this month Arizona and New Mexico declared states of emergencies. In the UK alone, crimes committed by heroin and cocaine addicts to feed their habits come to £16bn a year.

We can take Vioxx off the market, but the appetite for pain relievers of the dodgy variety is not going to go away, no matter how many scary adverts run on television. So deal with it. Regulate drugs, tax them, monitor them, just like alcohol. You'd take preying on that appetite away from elements that have grown so powerful that they constitute rival governments. You'd have far few drug-related deaths, because the product would be pure, its potency established. You'd clear prisons of people guilty of nothing more than wanting to feel different, and you'd free up the police force to go after people who actually want to hurt somebody else. You'd take the cultural shine off drugs altogether, depriving them of their furtive cachet.

Isolated European experiments with more liberal drug policies have poorly tested the premise that prescription beats proscription. When a single country such as the Netherlands loosens its narcotics laws while its neighbours continue to pursue punitive ones, naturally the country becomes a magnet for wasters, and there goes the neighbourhood. A Europe-wide rethink would spread the wasters around.

Yet as for working out the details of a legal distribution scheme that would effectively result in "harm reduction", why bother? Davies was wasting his breath, Birt his paper - as I am wasting yours. I cannot imagine a rational, pragmatic approach to drugs in the western world evolving in my lifetime. Davies's proposal was sane, it was welcome; it was also self-destructive. Fellow Lib Dems rushed to clarify that he was not promoting party policy. And these are Lib Dems! Can you envisage an American presidential candidate going out on a limb to advocate that the US decriminalises heroin? That's right, with pigs flying merrily overhead, and hell freezing below.
 

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Of course it doesn't. No one trys to quite smoking crack beacuse people look down on them

Yet, in California stigmatization is how they claim they "fixed" the crack problem that was "so much worse" in the 80's.

Killed thousands of them off and created new demand elsewhere perhaps? ... There is no way stigmatization works. I've seen what it does.

IF everyone hates them it's easy for cops or anyone else to get away with murder though.
 

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And if anyone thinks looking down on crack addicts will prevent a significant amount of people from trying crack for a first time, they are wrong.

For every person who decides not to try crack just because society looks down on "crack heads", there are probably 5 rebellious teenagers who will want to try it just because of the fact society looks down on "crack heads".
 

Twila

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For every person who decides not to try crack just because society looks down on "crack heads", there are probably 5 rebellious teenagers who will want to try it just because of the fact society looks down on "crack heads".

Not to mention the people who already feel marginalized and have nothing further to lose
 

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I don't know about this article Haggis crack is epidemic if you no where to look and the cops busting crackshacks and crackheads is doing zero :x Theres a very easy way to stop crack but are goveremnts won't do it :evil: All they have to do is bann the chemicals it takes to make cocaine from the few countrys that grow it :idea: This will do major damage to the producers no product no crack problem :wink: You got ask yourself why they don't do it .My guess is to many are on the take ,cops and lawyers ans judges don't want it to go away they might get laid off :?
 

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MrMom, I see what you're saying. I found the point of view rather interesting, though.

If - and I say, only *if* - the media is doing one of its sky-is-falling tricks, kids will pick up on it and it will backfire. Anybody from the 60s will remember the establishment media reports of total and instant addiction (leading to death, social disgrace, and general all-round nastiness) of marijuana.

I am not comparing crack to marijuana, understand, but rather, making a point about the media. Few people these days blindly trust the media to report factually, yet we tend to trust it implicitly when the reports are of a fear-mongering nature.
 

Twila

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All they have to do is bann the chemicals it takes to make cocaine from the few countrys that grow it Idea

It doesn't take chemicals to grow coca plants. It's not legal to transport the finished product across the border and to make crack all you need is......Sudsy amonia.
 

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It takes a large amount of chemicals to break down the Coca plant Twinks I saw a documentary on it I'll see if i can find it :wink: Thats what i was talking about not the crack you can make crack with baking soda too 'Lets just say i've had a little expirence with the shit :wink:
 

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mrmom2 said:
It takes a large amount of chemicals to break down the Coca plant Twinks I saw a documentary on it I'll see if i can find it :wink: Thats what i was talking about not the crack you can make crack with baking soda too 'Lets just say i've had a little expirence with the shit :wink:

I thought you need baking soda AND amonia? I never made it, I was always rich enough to buy pre-made. :roll: