Re: Solving Torontos Gun Crime: Cut Immigration From Jamica
ohhh wow
uhh im going to be honest i didnt read the whole thread, all i can say is that people that post things like this make me cry for my country.
as a criminology and law student, wow, i really just want to cry. go, pick up a book on racialization in Canada, a good start is Crimes of Colour, its got a wonderful section on the racialization of Jamaicans
im a liberal and let me tell you that this idea that banning guns is a liberal one think again,the liberal government may have picked that up as a platform ,but its not just a liberal idea. im liberal, but i dont play into the medias scare of guns, thats where this comes from. a Liberal that is educated in Crime causation, crime, anything about crime would know that banning something or making it illegal doesnt get rid of the crime. and nor does harsher punishments, that has less to do with a political view and more to do with peoples understanding of crime which they get largely from the media(and we know thats not the best source)
crime causation- unknown, we dont know what causes crime, we can take a good guess, we can put together links, like poverty, and literacy and IQ, but that in no way shape or form causes someone to be a crimial.
for the "realistic options" that were mentioned they are in no way realistic. massive border effort? right, you know people will still get guns across. its called adapting. its what criminals do to avoid getting caught. and where is Canada going to get this magical money to fund massive border control? im willing to bet that mr conservative that posted this would like to see lower taxes, so whoes going to be paying for this border control? just curious thats all :?
while i agree that a total gun ban will do nothing at all, to blame jamaicans, wow that just blows me away. 8O
ok lets take a look at these statistics that were posted.
"80% of convicted and suspected perpetrators of gun violence in toronto are Jamaicans" i would like you to look up these terms over representation and over policing. now while i was sifting through study after study after study after document after document about over policing you know what the damnedest thing kept popping up. that the police hold prejudice against minorities and especially those that moved to Canada, oh and if you read the Crimes of Colour, you will get a nice introduction as to why people from jamaica are so vastly over represented. could it be that since Canada has allowed people of Colour to move here they have outright discriminated against them? hmmmmm funny thing, you seem to have left that out of your little 80% fact. WAKE UP justice is NOT blind. ohhh no its not. so dont sit there on your high horse and think that its the jamaicans that are doing this, its poeple of every background. but the kids from wealthy families that commit crime, well they dont get the same treatment, the white kids and the black kids, and the native kids and the hispanic kids, are not treated the same. and if you think they are, then you had best go back and look up some information my friend because you are living in a fantacy world. i would love to claim Canada is a tollerant nation, and that we dont discriminate, but im not about to stick my head in the sand and pretend that its true.
your facts are biased, subjective and without consideration that our justice system is not equal. so i will NOT bear witness to your so called facts when i, and anyone with half a mind would disregard them in the accademic community..
and i love the language that is used in this post "aspiring triggermen" well if thats not biased then i dont know what is. you look at facts for your own gain to argue your own point rather then taking them at face value and applying social theory to them.
look at how these people are living, mostly in poverty most are uneducated. you would be far better off by setting up socail programs for people in poverty. countries with the best social programs have the lowest crime rates. ohhh yeah and one last fact, HARSHER PUNISHMENTS DO NOT WORK, they actually lead to higher recidivism rates. so you want to put everyone in jail you go for it, but it wont work, this is not the liberal in me speaking, its teh Criminology student, its facts, its something any first year crim student could tell you.
you need to get real wiht yourself, and look at data. and theory, and objective information.
there is no solution to crime, simple as that.
