Smoking Bans: good idea, or bad?

Haggis McBagpipe

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Reverend Blair said:
If you ban all smoking, bars really would not suffer in the least except at the very start.

That certainly hasn't been the case in Winnipeg. Bars have seen a definite fall-off in business. Those with patios where people can smoke are finding their business is way up in the summer, but down in the winter. Casino profits are way down.

Rev, the smoking ban in Winnipeg has just barely started, hasn't it? It takes time for the dust to settle after a new law is put into place, so the initial reaction is predictably one of 'the sky-is-falling'.

Who is producing the figures to show a falling-off of business, are they accurate numbers or simple rhetoric? Of course sales will be off in the short-term... the fact of the matter is, they will eventually improve because sooner or later, smokers (angry or otherwise) will return to the bar scene.

Don't bars in Winnipeg - irrespective of smoking laws - typically do better business during the summer months when patios are open? I would be surprised to hear otherwise.

As for casinos, I believe there are likely to be other factors that, at least in part, explain any slip in profitability.
 

Andem

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I think that not in every case will the bars and casinos see a resurgence in business. I believe it relies on demographics and how much people in certain areas are willing to pay for a drink when they can't have it with a cigarette.

I've heard reports of some cities recovering and others that don't recover.
 

Ginger_Ale

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Yep, it's a good idea - infact, smoking should be illegal. All it does is indirectly kill people, while CEOs claim it does nothing...
 

eastcoastrob

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Re: RE: Smoking Bans: good idea, or bad?

CTV.ca News Staff said:
Ontario docs warn against smoking in cars, home
Following up on a landmark report that revealed the risks of exposure to second-hand smoke, the Ontario Medical Association is advising the province to extend public smoking bans into private places.

Commenting on the report, "Exposure to second-hand smoke: Are we protecting our kids?" OMA executive director Dr. Ted Boadway says smoking in cars and private homes poses a significant risk, especially to kids.

At a news conference in Toronto on Thursday, Dr. Boadway told reporters that, because their bodies are still developing, children are particularly susceptible to the variety of respiratory illnesses, cancers and heart disease that have been linked to smoking.

Although the OMA praises the Ontario government for passing a law banning smoking in public places, it says more must be done to protect those who have little control over their environment, and are yet exposed to second-hand smoke.

The OMA is recommending government turn its attention to raising awareness around the issue and, possibly, instituting a ban on smoking in any homes or facilities that offer childcare services.

"Lots of folks are unaware of what needs to be done to remedy this problem," Boadway said, explaining that opening a car or home window provides little relief -- unless a gale force wind is blowing through it.

The reason, Boadway said, is that cigarettes release gaseous chemicals in smoke that condense on surfaces, and are then re-released later.

"When you stand beside a smoker in the elevator and they have that stink about them -- that's because they're off-gassing," he explained. "That's exactly what happens in a home or car."

"So the idea that one can smoke and then stop when the kids come home -- all that does is expose them to what you did before and that really is no help at all."

Funding smoking cessation therapies for adults who want to reduce their smoking around kids at home or in their car would go a long way towards curbing the problem, Boadway said.

On June 1, Toronto became Ontario's latest municipality to ban smoking in all public businesses. Ottawa, Victoria and Winnipeg already had such by-laws in place.

Manitoba and New Brunswick are Canada's first provinces to institute provincewide bans on smoking in public spaces. A similar law takes effect in Saskatchewan next January.
Now the government is going to want to dictate what I do in my own home!
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Smoking Bans: good id

Funny...everybody my age grew up in a blue haze. All of the adults smoked everywhere all the time. Hardly any of the kids I grew up with had asthma or allergies. Ear infections were not nearly as common as they are now.

I'm not saying that second hand smoke isn't harmful, but it is being blamed for a lot of things that are caused at least much by the chemicals we are surrounded with every day.
 

Haggis McBagpipe

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Re: RE: Smoking Bans: good id

Reverend Blair said:
Funny...everybody my age grew up in a blue haze. All of the adults smoked everywhere all the time. Hardly any of the kids I grew up with had asthma or allergies. Ear infections were not nearly as common as they are now.

I'm not saying that second hand smoke isn't harmful, but it is being blamed for a lot of things that are caused at least much by the chemicals we are surrounded with every day.

I think such allergic reactions are very likely politically triggered. Cigarettes, perfume; suddenly North Americans can no longer handle these smells, and people go into some serious frothing fits over them. I am not so much saying the allergic reactions are faked, but I think they are possibly psychosomatic, triggered by anger rather than a true allergy.

Certainly there are people genuinely allergic to such things as cigarette smoke and perfume, and people with asthma are known to be highly sensitive to these substances, but it just strikes me as odd that suddenly, in the space of not that many years, it seems virtually all non-smokers and non-perfume wearers are 'allergic'. Something, you might say, stinks in the state of Political Correctness.

This might sound strange coming from me, considering that I support the ban on smoking, but there you have it. Life is nothing if not strange. :cool:
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Smoking Bans: good id

I'm trying to quit smoking, so the ban should do me good. I still don't agree with it though, at least not in bars and pool halls.

The smell of perfume always reminds me of dead bugs. The brand doesn't matter, it reminds me of the insecticide Grandpa used to spray around the barn when we were kids.
 

Cosmo

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researchok said:

Excellent article! Of course you seem like you might be a bit of a sh*t disturber, researchok! This issue is a very, very touchy one.

I presently live in a teeny hick town in the armpit of British Columbia. Everyone here grew up with guns. I was shooting a 30-06 before I started school. I was taught gun safety (to a paranoid degree, even), and love to shoot. Mostly I prefer cans or targets but here in the bushes we do need to deal with an occaisonal skunk (ever had one spray under your deck???) or rogue squirrel (they eat bluebird babies).

The gun laws make me very afraid. Throughout history, leaders have followed a consistent path to keep the "masses" in line: They tax them beyond their means, they disarm them, and then they have complete control. Shades of Hitler. In fact, one of the major foundations for justifying their "raids" on the Jews was to search their homes for illegal arms.

Our Canadian government has decided to disarm us. Perhaps it is just coincidental, but combined with the heavy tax burden and the ever increasing government control (smoking ban is a good example), it makes me paranoid.

Of course that is my natural state of being ... slightly paranoid of any large body that imposes its will on the majority of a supposedly "democratic" country without referendum. Another case in point is gay marriage ... I cannot marry my partner because the Christian leaders say I can't.

Yi. Don't get me started.