Six Nations fighting contraband tobacco legislation

[CDNBear]

Six Nations fighting contraband tobacco legislation

We're heading for a showdown, to be sure.

Hill is so right in her opinion that this is about the gubmint recouping lost tax revenue, not kids.

 

[SLM]

Hill is so right in her opinion that this is about the gubmint recouping lost tax revenue, not kids.

Well of course it is, think the government gives a damn about anyone's health? I don't know if there is anything the government is more two-faced on than tobacco.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I smoked for over 25 years before I finally ditched them. All of my kids took up smoking, my oldest in secret, my two younger ones after both my wife and I quit. One of their sources of tobacco came from Six Nations. Personally I think the stuff should be taken completely off the market. It's poison.

The ritual tobacco I have no issue with, but Ava Hill's assertion that smoke shops have anything to do with sacred rights.

"Tobacco has always been a sacred thing to us and it's our inherent right to trade."

Well that's just a bunch of hooey.

I see way too many kids hooked on this crap.

 

[CDNBear]

It's poison.

Everything in excess is.

Well that's just a bunch of hooey.

Not at all, its' a form of currency, still.

I see way too many kids hooked on this crap.

Ditto. And when a product that removes the poisons from the process comes along, schools ban them. I would be referring to ecigs.

Which my youngest and his girlfriend bought to kick the habit.

 

[SLM]

Ditto. And when a product that removes the poisons from the process comes along, schools ban them. I would be referring to ecigs.

Which my youngest and his girlfriend bought to kick the habit.

And this very rapid banning of e-cigs almost everywhere I'm sure has nothing whatsoever to do with the legislative bodies addictions to the tax revenue generated by the sale of tobacco.

If a conspiracy nutter really wants to sink their teeth into something, tell them to sink their teeth into that one because, honestly, I'm pretty sure that one has some merit.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The ritual tobacco I have no issue with, but Ava Hill's assertion that smoke shops have anything to do with sacred rights.

There is a certain conflation of concepts there. Be kinda like Catholics in the 1800s saying "Wine has always been a part of our sacred rituals, therefore you cannot interfere with our right to sell whiskey to Indians."

 

[CDNBear]

And this very rapid banning of e-cigs almost everywhere I'm sure has nothing whatsoever to do with the legislative bodies addictions to the tax revenue generated by the sale of tobacco.

If a conspiracy nutter really wants to sink their teeth into something, tell them to sink their teeth into that one because, honestly, I'm pretty sure that one has some merit.

Big pharma!

The tobacco industry isn't hurt by ecigs. They're the ones supplying the nicotine, lol.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Everything in excess is.

I'd rather see Pot legalized, at least it can be delivered safer ways. Tobacco is so full of chemicals and is purposely made to be addictive.

Not at all, its' a form of currency, still.

I can't agree there Bear. It's a political power play by the Chief. She's playing the tradition card.

Ditto. And when a product that removes the poisons from the process comes along, schools ban them. I would be referring to ecigs.which my youngest and his girlfriend bought to kick the habit.

They should just kick. I hope they do. My oldest is trying to get off the damn things.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

And this very rapid banning of e-cigs almost everywhere I'm sure has nothing whatsoever to do with the legislative bodies addictions to the tax revenue generated by the sale of tobacco.

Nothing new. The alcohol industry was instrumental in getting marijuana illegalised in the 30s. With help from the materials industry, who wanted to replace cheap, plentiful, useful hemp with manufactured materials.

 

[CDNBear]

i rather see Pot legalized, at least it can be delivered safer ways.

My only issue with pot is, you can have a beer and still capable of driving, you can't say that of a pot hit.

I can't agree there Bear. It's a political power play by the Chief. She's playing the tradition card.

Currency of a different stripe, err, leaf.

They should just kick. I hope they do. My oldest is trying to get off the damn things.

They have, ecigs aren't cigarettes.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

They have, ecigs aren't cigarettes.

Sadly, I've seen a lot of folks go from e-cigs back to real cigs. I think that's the psychological battle with the habit. Never really stopping the social end of smoking.

 

[CDNBear]

Sadly, I've seen a lot of folks go from e-cigs back to real cigs. I think that's the psychological battle with the habit. Never really stopping the social end of smoking.

Social won't kill you. I can live with that.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Social won't kill you. I can live with that.

It will if you go back. Regardless, I wish them good luck.

Have you kicked the habit?

 

[taxslave]

Since monshine is traditional in our family by using their logicI should be able to sell shine to whoever I want. Oh right I already do.

 

[CDNBear]

Have you kicked the habit?

Yep. Down to the lowest nic level juice ejuice. My fave flave is smooth players, with a couple drops of watermelon wowzers.

Since monshine is traditional in our family by using their logicI should be able to sell shine to whoever I want.

Are you constitutionally guaranteed the right?

 

[taxslave]

Yep. Down to the lowest nic level juice ejuice. My fave flave is smooth players, with a couple drops of watermelon wowzers.


Are you constitutionally guaranteed the right?

Course not. My skin is too white to be eligible for constitutional guarantees. But I don't much trust governments anyway.

 

[CDNBear]

Course not. My skin is too white to be eligible for constitutional guarantees.

That's not why it was constitutionally protect.

It's based on occupancy, not race.

 

[taxslave]

That's not why it was constitutionally protect.

It's based on occupancy, not race.

I've been here all my life as have my parrents.

 

[CDNBear]

I've been here all my life as have my parrents.

lolz

 

[Twila]

My only issue with pot is, you can have a beer and still capable of driving, you can't say that of a pot hit.

Actually not everyone can drive after 1 beer. I can't. At least not right after one beer. But I can't drive right away after 1 toke either. Well depending how good the pot is...why buy crap though.

Sadly, I've seen a lot of folks go from e-cigs back to real cigs. I think that's the psychological battle with the habit. Never really stopping the social end of smoking.

I've read a few studies suggesting that addiction has more to do with your mental state then it has to do with a actual substance. which would explain why some people get addicted while others don't. Why some people can quit while others just can't seem too.