Shove off, France. Leave it to the British.

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

em, well, you obviously seem to have a lot of anti-british leanings anyway, BUT ACTUALLY, the british FOLLOWED the french high command's orders, the french ACTUALLY marched into germany at the beginning of the war...and then said "forget about it" and marched by to their defensive line - FACT, ask a frenchman

BECAUSE of the negative defensive tactics of the Maginou line, and it's failing to defend the Belgians britain were ordered to commit it's forces in the low countries BY THE FRENCH HIGH COMMAND, pardon a similar phrase, BUT THE BEF WERE SIMPLY FOLLOWING ORDERS!!!....THEY WERE LED TO RUIN BY AN IDIOTIC FRENCH HIGH COMMAND....because we were in france, and not england we were junior partners we followed until it was untenable, we were cut off, we HAD to escape and you should thank your fckin lucky stars we did or you may be speaking german right now.

And dont give me this "it wouldnt have affected america" because I tell you what, without Britain in the loop YOU WERE NEXT, AND WHO WOULD BE THERE TO STOP THEM?...the facists to the south? hah. idiot

 

[cortex]

By fascists to the south do you mean--Franco

Well isnt that interesting considering that the BRITISH were instrumental in helping the fascists win in Spain. while the Spanish republic faught alone-stood alone agianst Fascism while the British devils isolated them completely with a naval blockade and all --to prevent weapons coming in from russia--Neutrality pact my ass

The British---the people who even during the dying days of the spanish civil war were handing over refugees--people who fought had for three years against hitler and mussolinis troops--handing them over to Franco to be tortured and killed.

Is that what you mean by fascists to the south...

hypocrites
cowards
liars

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

so who exactly are the facist dictatorships of mexicans, the chilieans, the ecuadorians, the brazillians, the argintines, chop liver?.

Go on about the spanish if you like, I couldnt care to be honest, but the spanish were actually quite liberal and not really "facist" persay, but the south american spanish speaking nations?...so you didnt know the luftwaffe was rebuilt in the shape of the argentine airforce?

connect with the japanese through Asia, use the large manpower of asia, use the troops the japanese promised to fight the extra troops held by the russian in siberia (the ones who won it for russia in the end)....Europe, Asia and Africa sorted...em who next?...this is conjecture, but a VERY realistic prospect if Britain didnt get their asses out of france in time.

as I say..think objectivly for a change.

 

[sine000]

France said they would commit more troops when the details of the mission are in place....I believe the French will commit a large portion of the troops because they Lebanon was a former colony of France...

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

this is very strange, what usually happens is the french colonies get so sick of the french beheading them they revolt (usually via a communist movement), the french fight dirty for a few years, realise they are losing, make a call to the americans about how they are extending communism throughout asia and bob's ur uncle stitch america up with a war they cannot win...


something's terribly wrong here...and by the way, I've been on the "Charles De Gaulle" it's not actually that big.

 

[sine000]

True....France cant do anything alone...they lose everything....They never WON a single war...

Read this website...
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

I know, kind of makes comparing the french fleet to the british one stupid, it's not the size of the fleet it's how you use it!!! .......and no, I'm not making references elsewhere!!!

 

[sine000]

haha...even if France only sends 200 troops....no matter how they use it....it wont be really successful...

 

[cortex]

Re: RE: Shove off, France. L

so who exactly are the facist dictatorships of mexicans, the chilieans, the ecuadorians, the brazillians, the argintines, chop liver?.

Go on about the spanish if you like, I couldnt care to be honest, but the spanish were actually quite liberal and not really "facist" persay, but the south american spanish speaking nations?...so you didnt know the luftwaffe was rebuilt in the shape of the argentine airforce?

connect with the japanese through Asia, use the large manpower of asia, use the troops the japanese promised to fight the extra troops held by the russian in siberia (the ones who won it for russia in the end)....Europe, Asia and Africa sorted...em who next?...this is conjecture, but a VERY realistic prospect if Britain didnt get their asses out of france in time.

as I say..think objectivly for a change.

The British are irrelevant

 

[sine000]

British can prolly do nothing....more troops=chaos...no leadership

 

[Logic 7]

The cowardly French have pledged only a measly 200 troops to Lebanon. Because of that, the RAF has decided to help out with some PROPER power. But no British troops will be going to Lebanon because, unlike France, we have thousands getting their hands dirty in Iraq and Afghanistan......



20 August 2006

MISSION LEBANON

EXCLUSIVE RAF top guns and Navy frigate set for war zone as pact falters
By Nigel Nelson

RAF Jaguars

RAF AWAC


RAF top guns are set to patrol the skies over Lebanon within days.

Britain has earmarked six Jaguar reconnaissance jets to monitor peacekeeping efforts.

And the Government is ready to pledge two AWAC spy planes to provide warnings of breaches in the shaky ceasefire with Israel.

A naval frigate is on standby to go to the warzone to provide further backup.

But a Ministry of Defence source said British ground troops would not be joining the 13,000-strong UN peacekeeping force because we are too "heavily involved" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet that does not rule out the use of special forces if they are needed for top secret missions. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan is furious that France has only pledged 200 soldiers to help the ceasefire.

They are supposed to be leading the effort to stop any flareup of the 34-day war between Israel and Lebanon-based Hezbollah fighters.

He has appealed to the EU to send more troops for the advance force to arrive next week.

Only Italy has promised a substantial contribution of 3,000 soldiers, with Spain offering 700 and Belgium expected to send a similar number. The first cracks in the fragile peace pact appeared yesterday when Israeli commandos dropped out of helicopter gunships to attack a guerrilla stronghold in the east.

Their mission was to destroy a bridge used by Hezbollah to ship weapons supplied by Syria and Iran.

One Israeli officer was killed and two soldiers wounded in the attacks. Three Hezbollah fighters died.

Lebanon protested to the UN about the "naked violation" of the truce.

It threatened to stop sending its peacekeeping troops to the south of the country unless the UN intervened over the raid.

But the Israeli army claimed their assault was "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel".

And they vowed such operations would continue until "an effective monitoring unit" was in place to prevent Hezbollah rebuilding its arsenal.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev insisted: "If the Syrians and Iran continue to arm Hezbollah in violation of the UN ceasefire resolution, Israel is entitled to act to defend the principle of the arms embargo."

Meanwhile Israeli soldiers arrested the Palestinian deputy prime minister yesterday in their government's crackdown against the ruling Hamas party.

Troops burst into the home of Nasser Shaer and took him away, said his wife Huda.


nigel.nelson@people.co.uk

people.co.uk

Look at the propaganda that was done against french, and still being done today, by US, UK, even CANADA's newspapers, since the war in iraq, sending 200 troops, is just giving you guys , what you guys deserve to have, in fact, 200 trooops is way too much, it would have been more appropriate to give absotly nothing and giving you a "polite finger", would have been half fair, usa uk supported this invasion, so israel, usa, and uk should provide troops.

 

[sine000]

What do you mean 200 troops is to much?....200 is less than a slice of the 10000+ troops to be sent there..=)

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Re: RE: Shove off, France. L

so who exactly are the facist dictatorships of mexicans, the chilieans, the ecuadorians, the brazillians, the argintines, chop liver?.

Go on about the spanish if you like, I couldnt care to be honest, but the spanish were actually quite liberal and not really "facist" persay, but the south american spanish speaking nations?...so you didnt know the luftwaffe was rebuilt in the shape of the argentine airforce?

connect with the japanese through Asia, use the large manpower of asia, use the troops the japanese promised to fight the extra troops held by the russian in siberia (the ones who won it for russia in the end)....Europe, Asia and Africa sorted...em who next?...this is conjecture, but a VERY realistic prospect if Britain didnt get their asses out of france in time.

as I say..think objectivly for a change.

The British are irrelevant

best you can do eh?...yeah cus the british "forget" a continent...far from being irrelevant, you are only here today, speaking english because of the british.

 

[sine000]

Which country do you guys think will send the most troops to lebanon?

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

no, I'd like to know how the british are irrelevant?...kinda like canada talking to Hezbollah you mean...come on, I like Canada, but to consider Britain Irrelevant is well.....frankly making you look like an ignorant tit.

Britain, for it's size is still a very powerful force, the US needs it because it never wins anything on its own...much like the french.

 

[sine000]

My bad....i was thinking of something else...my bad, Daz-Hockey

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Shove off, France. L

best you can do eh?...yeah cus the british "forget" a continent...far from being irrelevant, you are only here today, speaking english because of the british.

You'll have to forgive Cortex, his thirst for attention makes him...well...figure it out.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Shove off, France. L

I just find it worrying that he "forgot" all those facist south american countries in the 40's (well until now) and how Britain is irrelevant.

He's been reading too much Joe Kennedy, America was fully aware of the crap they'd be in if britain fell, which they surely would have if they stuck by the french in france, we all know this, so why argue about it?, and as for the french peace keepers, everyone knows the french are run by a criminal who'll do anything to stick 2 fingers up at the anglo world (strange for a country saved by them I know).

 

[Graeme]

Re: RE: Shove off, France. Leave it to the British.

You know Blackleaf, it's quiet obvious you're the typical french-hating Brit, but think you could perhaps tone down the retoric? Britain isn't all that great, and just to pop your bubble, the French military is much, much larger than the British. While I have no love for the French military I have a love for fact, and the fact Blackleaf is that the French military is much larger and more active internationally than the British are. Some quick figures:

Strength:
British Military: 192,000 (Janes Defence Monthly)
French Military: 356,000 (taken from French Embassay website)

Deployments:
British Military: 18,000 (British Army website)
French Military: 33,000 (French Embassy Website)

Facts:

1. The French Navy is the only Navy (other than the U.S.) to float a super carrier, furthermore the Charles de Gaulle is the only catapult-launch carrier ever constructed in Europe.

2. The Charles de Gaulle carrier battle group is deployed currently in the Arabian Sea. The Battle Group consists of the CVN Charles de Gaulle, 6 French warships, 1 Royal Navy Frigate, and some 3,000 French Naval personel.

3. In Kosovo France (with 2,300 troops) is the third largest contributer, also ahead of Britain (1,500 troops).

4. French has recently command ISAF in Afghanistan and KFOR in Kosovo.

5. The Royal Navy currently has on strength 87 warships (including submarines), while the French Navy has 145 warships (including submarines). Now this (for both navies) factors in puny craft like fast patrol boats and the like and also does not factor in Merchant Marine ships (which both Navies have). So when we trim the fat and get down to actual warships that each nation holds the breakdown is such:

Royal Navy:

VTOL Light Carriers: 2
Destroyers: 8
Frigates: 17
Landing Ships: 3
Mine Warfare: 16
Supply/Support Ships: 4
Submarines: 13
Total:63

French Navy:

Nuclear Aircraft Carrier: 1
Helicopter Carrier: 1
Destroyers: 12
Guided Missile Frigates: 20
Patrol Frigates: 18
Landing Ships: 8
Mine Warfare: 13
Supply/Support Ships: 11
Submarines: 10
Total:94

As you can see, the French have a larger surface action fleet than Britian, while Britian has a larger subsurface action fleet...by 3 ships. In all the French Navy is bigger, and has a much larger punch (50 action ships versus the British's 25).

6. Air power. The French Air Force has over 1,100 aircraft under their control, with 150 fixed wing and 80 rotary aircraft comprising their mobility arm. The French Tactical Air Command (one division of the French Air Force) has 330 fighter aircraft alone, while the entire Royal Air Force (including the fleet air arm) numbers less than 250 active combat aircraft; 167 Tornado's, 26 Jaguar's, and 45 Harriers. The French Air Force has over 500 combat air craft, in addition to 130 in it's fleet air arm. That's 630 combat aircraft to the Royal Air Forces 238.

To wrap up, the French military is larger, well equipped, and far reaching. Perhaps that information doesn't permeate the British "down with the French" mindset, but the numbers really don't lie. France has more troops deployed abroad, has a larger Navy, and has more fighter aircraft. I wouldn't piss them off.

P.S. The French Foreign Legion does not factor in to their combined military strength as it is a seperate entity. The French Foreign Legion currently numbers around 10,000 men which comprise 9 Regiments of calvary, infantry, engineers, and airborne troops.

Mogz I think you are forgetting WHY this is the case, the fact is the brits never had to build a bigger military thanks to the NATO alliance which that fool Charles de Gaulle decided france shouldn't be apart of. If the Brits were not part of NATO for that long, believe me they would have a much bigger army than france.

You see the Brits are more powerful than france because they have the long tradition of cooperation with NATO, and therefore have the closest of ties with the greatest ally of all: Canada... wait, I mean the U.S., we are lucky (but deserve) to be a part of the Britain/US super power, and Britain is most certainly part of that super-power.

If there was a war between britain and france NATO would back Britain, and remove france.

 

[sine000]

Yes...i would beliebe that France would commit more... than britain....but france....eh....i wont comment on them,....