Re: Should socialism be achieved through revolution or democ
I agree with most of what you said besides that. Communism is a dream and a noble dream at that if you chose to believe everything Karl Marx said, I don't. I don't thik Communists are evil though it seems that most communist leaders tend to have the same flaws as capitalist ones. Also the fact that Lenin in his revision of Communism made matters worse with making it possible to form a communist party. Indeed before Lenin, Marx had said that communists should work in workers movements, unions, socialist parties and social democratic parties to achieve the goals of communism. Lenin changed that by allowing the formation of pure communist parties. In doing so if you read Orwell and Trotsky this has lead the "Communist Party" to become what it destoryed. The capitalist or bourgeoisie. Indeed you do not have to look at the Soviet union to see this, as it can be proven by this alone. But today all you have to do is look at modern China and see the Communist party for what it is. In fact the bourgeoisie have been replaced by the communist party leadership and middle managment. Indeed the communist party members today of any considerable rank enjoy the luxuries of the bourgeoisie class and reap the profits from the means of production and to some extents now it has come full circle with the incorperation of the capitalist econmey and privitization of indestries with communist leaders being the first allowed to buy or own these companies.
To this level it has gotten worse for the chiness worker. Leninism has made the worker who was supposed to own the means of production a virtual slave of the indestry to those of the communist party who control and sometimes privately own the means of production. Communism, socialism, even marxism truly doesn't exist in China, but the fruits of Leninism have encircled the working class in conditions which are worse then that of capitalism in the middle of the indestrial revultion when Marx and Englas wrote the menifesto which changed the world.
In deed a Marxist, even a Marxist Leninist could point out that workers are slaves to the wage and the difference between the rich and the poor in our nations and the level of explotation in American and even Canada. But the level of explotation in China and before that the Soviet Union was staggering. Workers were no more then slaves to their communist masters.
I agree with most of what you said besides that. Communism is a dream and a noble dream at that if you chose to believe everything Karl Marx said, I don't. I don't thik Communists are evil though it seems that most communist leaders tend to have the same flaws as capitalist ones. Also the fact that Lenin in his revision of Communism made matters worse with making it possible to form a communist party. Indeed before Lenin, Marx had said that communists should work in workers movements, unions, socialist parties and social democratic parties to achieve the goals of communism. Lenin changed that by allowing the formation of pure communist parties. In doing so if you read Orwell and Trotsky this has lead the "Communist Party" to become what it destoryed. The capitalist or bourgeoisie. Indeed you do not have to look at the Soviet union to see this, as it can be proven by this alone. But today all you have to do is look at modern China and see the Communist party for what it is. In fact the bourgeoisie have been replaced by the communist party leadership and middle managment. Indeed the communist party members today of any considerable rank enjoy the luxuries of the bourgeoisie class and reap the profits from the means of production and to some extents now it has come full circle with the incorperation of the capitalist econmey and privitization of indestries with communist leaders being the first allowed to buy or own these companies.
To this level it has gotten worse for the chiness worker. Leninism has made the worker who was supposed to own the means of production a virtual slave of the indestry to those of the communist party who control and sometimes privately own the means of production. Communism, socialism, even marxism truly doesn't exist in China, but the fruits of Leninism have encircled the working class in conditions which are worse then that of capitalism in the middle of the indestrial revultion when Marx and Englas wrote the menifesto which changed the world.
In deed a Marxist, even a Marxist Leninist could point out that workers are slaves to the wage and the difference between the rich and the poor in our nations and the level of explotation in American and even Canada. But the level of explotation in China and before that the Soviet Union was staggering. Workers were no more then slaves to their communist masters.
