But peaceful means have been tried and have failed in apeasing Quebec to an extrem, so can the reverse be applied?
Like say the acts of the FLQ way back when, so once again can the reverse be applied?
Should Quebec be forced to abandon Separatist Dialogue
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Not at all. 1.) Peaceful means has in no way failed. Peaceful means only fail when violence is inevitable, not when you don't get your way. If that were true then the second you said no to Quebec separation even the first time..it would mean all means of peaceful separation had failed.
2.) During the Rise of the FLQ their was utter refusal to discuss Quebec Independance, the Rise of the PQ corresponded with the fall of the FLQ.
And I don't see forcing other people who don't want to be governed by you in the same league as those wishing not to be governed by those they considered foriegn.
If the USA took over Canada would you say that Canada has no right to speak of independance? or that its right to rule over us is as strong as our right to rule ourselves?
Everyone draws imaginary lines in the dirt over who lives in what government, often drawn by people long dead with no real validation from those living. IF those alive want different lines in the sand I don't see the need to fight over it.
2.) During the Rise of the FLQ their was utter refusal to discuss Quebec Independance, the Rise of the PQ corresponded with the fall of the FLQ.
And I don't see forcing other people who don't want to be governed by you in the same league as those wishing not to be governed by those they considered foriegn.
If the USA took over Canada would you say that Canada has no right to speak of independance? or that its right to rule over us is as strong as our right to rule ourselves?
Everyone draws imaginary lines in the dirt over who lives in what government, often drawn by people long dead with no real validation from those living. IF those alive want different lines in the sand I don't see the need to fight over it.
I'm not getting you here, Cretien was french so were many other leaders, so who's being governed by whom who is foriegn here?
These lines you speak of are a defining part of our country, how is blurring them and then erasing them only to draw bold blue lines the appropriate course of action, when everyone within them is equal (except the french, who by all accounts have enjoyed more then the rest of the Nation)?
Is the demand for seperation just more "gimme gimme gimme" from a group of juevenile whiners, for nothing more the grand standing and self promotion and delusions of grandure?
bear,
consider a comparison to how society treats nature.
A species not deemed "of value", or "not threatened", is easily trampled upon.
A species with special status or endangered is protected.
If "Quebecois" is "endangered" (which could be argued), or of a special significance to "canada" (which can be argued), then it will be "protected" (given special status).
consider a comparison to how society treats nature.
A species not deemed "of value", or "not threatened", is easily trampled upon.
A species with special status or endangered is protected.
If "Quebecois" is "endangered" (which could be argued), or of a special significance to "canada" (which can be argued), then it will be "protected" (given special status).
Well if thats the case then the Queen is British so we must all be british..
Canadian Parliment is still dominated by Ontario hands down. And the Lines are in no way a defining part of Canadians, even if part of a legal framework. If you warbled the lines around it would mean very little to the majority of Canada, Canada is far more than lines on a map.
While in the last 10 years, hell i'd go so far as to say 25 years, Quebec has enjoyed alot of extra attention, even surpassing that of the rest of the country, most separatists or much older than 25, and spent their formative years in a time where being french was equivalent to being dirt.
And that is how we win a war of words on separation, making things better for the younger generation and wait for the older generation to die off.
The seperatist couldn't fight the Canadian Military frankly the thought of them rising up and fighting for their cause is hilarious, please give me a break. Could the Seperatists commit acts of terror, well they already have and if they don't get their whiny way I'm sure they will commit further acts of terror. Frankly I don't think their worthy of much thought, a small percentage of Socialist who like to mouth off and chant viva La Quebec-there rather pathetic really.
And it is as almost all costs. For the most part i am not that uncomfortable with some distinction, it is the lavishment that annoys me.
Answered in order of your paragraphs.
Those lines are a defining part of Canada and Canadians, Quebec is the prime example, when people are asked within Canada from where they are, they generally state, I'm Albertan, from BC, I'm a Blue Noser and so on. So those lines are important.
I can only agree with that, but that is no excuse for their actions towards non french peoples, which has largely been ignored by both the local constabulary when Quebercers were considered just dirt, now by the Federal government.
So you are asserting that a war of atrition is the best course of action, lol? That's just a joke btw.
In a sense it is exactly whats going and its a good solution. The problem is literally solving itself now (unless we fudge it up).
It works on the world stage too, I hear alot of people talk about Iran as a problem (and it is), but if you look at the demographics..and talk to Iranian youth... in 20 years the problem will have solved itself, and Iran will be another corrupt immoral western society, without us doing anything but making MTV and Comedy central available in farsi.
It works on the world stage too, I hear alot of people talk about Iran as a problem (and it is), but if you look at the demographics..and talk to Iranian youth... in 20 years the problem will have solved itself, and Iran will be another corrupt immoral western society, without us doing anything but making MTV and Comedy central available in farsi.
Kind of like VietNam is now.
Good point.
I actualy think after a conversation with Gonzo, that I would like to see Quebec seperate. The financial savings could be enormous.
bear,
the costs are more than to the payer.
think of an wild animal that becomes habituated to the assistance of a society.
"A fed bear is a dead bear" is a longstanding phrase used to help people understand the risks associated with such habituation.
So indeed, the Quebecois should not become habituated, in other words dependent, on ROC. This is why I support their desire for independence, whichever form it takes.
On another note, if we look at those cultures/societies that faced great threats of extermination and fought back, and in the process incorporated that stuggle into their collective consciousness we see cultures that are very strong. This is why I don't for a second see Quebecois being threatened even as an independent state, and would wager it will outlive the "anglo-canadian" equivilant.
the costs are more than to the payer.
think of an wild animal that becomes habituated to the assistance of a society.
"A fed bear is a dead bear" is a longstanding phrase used to help people understand the risks associated with such habituation.
So indeed, the Quebecois should not become habituated, in other words dependent, on ROC. This is why I support their desire for independence, whichever form it takes.
On another note, if we look at those cultures/societies that faced great threats of extermination and fought back, and in the process incorporated that stuggle into their collective consciousness we see cultures that are very strong. This is why I don't for a second see Quebecois being threatened even as an independent state, and would wager it will outlive the "anglo-canadian" equivilant.
Absolutely.
I feel the same way about Quebec because they have shown how they will trample the rights of others while investing in their own culture, thereforethey will likely succeed in out living the rest of Canada, because out government is to willing to sell out our culture and tradition for cheap votes.
Just look at the racist commentary of John Muff if you are not familiar with the view of an avarage Quebecuoix. At first I though Muffy was a confused Quebecois, but then he tipped his cards and there it was, pure Quebecuoix.
Tax Income...
You mean complete breakup of "canadian spirit" as it is...
True, having only one deduction on your paychecks would make you save a huge deal... Suppoting more issues related to your province could be good...
I just don't think it worth breaking every aspects of collectiveness we share on some views... Security, Environment, and so fourth...
We do share values, but not all...
Canada woul't survive quebec departure.
John Muff
You mean complete breakup of "canadian spirit" as it is...
True, having only one deduction on your paychecks would make you save a huge deal... Suppoting more issues related to your province could be good...
I just don't think it worth breaking every aspects of collectiveness we share on some views... Security, Environment, and so fourth...
We do share values, but not all...
Canada woul't survive quebec departure.
John Muff
Sadly, trampling on others is something all settling/immigrating cultures have in common. I guess we could get into a discussion on karma at this point, since it seems that is a concept overlooked.
There is you difference...
Eeee, I am a racist ??? Sorry to botter you but I am such a mix in itself, that being racist would be being it against myself...
If you make reference to the fact that I sometime push for replies dosen't always include my own taught about something... Your pure attacking attitude, I don't botter, I may, BTW, make replies cause I want you to look so racist yourself...
Funny, me, racist... Hehehe... You clearly don't know what you are saying...
Peace, Love Teddy bear...
John Muff
Eeee, I am a racist ??? Sorry to botter you but I am such a mix in itself, that being racist would be being it against myself...
If you make reference to the fact that I sometime push for replies dosen't always include my own taught about something... Your pure attacking attitude, I don't botter, I may, BTW, make replies cause I want you to look so racist yourself...
Funny, me, racist... Hehehe... You clearly don't know what you are saying...
Peace, Love Teddy bear...
John Muff
You are the reason why Quebec should not be allowed to seperate, your racist acts would trample the rights of anyone that you saw not fitting into your regime.
You are the appitamy of the heart of the Quebecuoix seperatist movement. Here's my proof, your words...
"Quebecers, would asks themseves: "What the F%&K are they doing crossing the St-Laurence with their kayak, come on... "
"Natives are well equipped, I know, they have tanks, F-16, landing stripes and all that... ho ! and a bow too"
You are a racist f**k, nothing more. So now that I called you out, your a mix eh? My ass, that is the convenient escape root of most racist assholes.
Oh I clearly know what i am saying, YOU ARE A RACIST ASSHOLE. Did you get that?
I Love You !!!
Have you got any rage my son... I still love you far YHAT YOU ARE...
I've I ever said Quebec should SEPARATE ??? Read carefully, I may be french, but you must be dislexic (Sorry, here, for my spelling mistakes... ; feel any better ?)
John Muff
Have you got any rage my son... I still love you far YHAT YOU ARE...
I've I ever said Quebec should SEPARATE ??? Read carefully, I may be french, but you must be dislexic (Sorry, here, for my spelling mistakes... ; feel any better ?)
John Muff
So you don't want to seperate, great. You're still a racist asshole.
I'll take being dislexic over being a racist asshole any day.