Shooting at school in Minnesota
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RE: Shooting at school in
Plus the kid was sixteen or so...that's two years later than I had my gun safety course.
I agree that such courses are valuable, Jay. They do not keep things like this from happening though.
Plus the kid was sixteen or so...that's two years later than I had my gun safety course.
I agree that such courses are valuable, Jay. They do not keep things like this from happening though.
RE: Shooting at school in
What consequences would you like to see? The kid is dead and so is his grandfather, who owned the gun. I guess we could dig them up and shoot them again, but I don't see that accomplishing much.
What consequences would you like to see? The kid is dead and so is his grandfather, who owned the gun. I guess we could dig them up and shoot them again, but I don't see that accomplishing much.
Vanni Fucci said:
Here is a perfect example of why I will not vote left. They are bent on the destruction of basic rights and will lie about what the truth is and will leave you helpless to do anything about it.
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
Seem familiar? See Vanni's position above....
A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined,
but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a
status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them,
which would include their own government.
--George Washington
Doesn't seem to jive with Vanni's position....
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8.
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. --- Thomas Jefferson in "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege. -- Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage the keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. -- Thomas Paine, Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894)
Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms. -- Andrew Ford
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. -- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis (1952)
A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. -- Yoshimi Ishikawa, author of Japanese best-seller Strawberry Road
We could go on and on and on…..
RE: Shooting at school in
Nice quotes, Jay...Tell me, do you think that citizens should have access to the same armaments as the military? If they are too effectively fend off a tyrannical government through force, that would pretty much be a requirement.
So should each citizen be allowed to have tanks and fully armed jet fighters? Can they use depleted uranium munitions? Maybe we can fix everybody up with a nuke.
Nice quotes, Jay...Tell me, do you think that citizens should have access to the same armaments as the military? If they are too effectively fend off a tyrannical government through force, that would pretty much be a requirement.
So should each citizen be allowed to have tanks and fully armed jet fighters? Can they use depleted uranium munitions? Maybe we can fix everybody up with a nuke.
Jays right you take away the citizens right to bear arms and your going to get tyranny.Just ask Moa,Hitler,Stalin they all banned guns from there citizens.Gun rights are the only thing that keeps goverments from making us there slaves.
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Thanks.
In many respects yes they have to. The debate over armor piercing bullets is a no-brainer. Yes the people should have them. It is necessary to protect a free nation. The second amendment surely isn't about duck hunting as the left would have us believe.
We also have to remember slow resistance wins a war.
Reverend Blair said:
Thanks.
Reverend Blair said:
In many respects yes they have to. The debate over armor piercing bullets is a no-brainer. Yes the people should have them. It is necessary to protect a free nation. The second amendment surely isn't about duck hunting as the left would have us believe.
We also have to remember slow resistance wins a war.
RE: Shooting at school in
So you're saying that individuals should have the same armaments as their governments? Slow resistance my ass, quick destruction is more like it.
So you're saying that individuals should have the same armaments as their governments? Slow resistance my ass, quick destruction is more like it.
RE: Shooting at school in
It's not a muddy water trick at all. There is no reason that anybody in civilian life needs a handgun. If you can't hunt with two shots, then you can't hunt. Nobody needs automatic or military grade weapons unless they are in the military.
It's not a muddy water trick at all. There is no reason that anybody in civilian life needs a handgun. If you can't hunt with two shots, then you can't hunt. Nobody needs automatic or military grade weapons unless they are in the military.
Re: RE: Shooting at school in Minnesota
Waht don't you understand? Why do people need handguns and assault rifles for? To protect yourselves from what? Iraq? The boogeyman? your neighbour?
Could that be the reason America has so much violent crime and crime in general? The easy access to guns?
America could never function as a peaceful society. It needs violence and war to function it appears, unfortunatly.
Jay said:
Waht don't you understand? Why do people need handguns and assault rifles for? To protect yourselves from what? Iraq? The boogeyman? your neighbour?
Could that be the reason America has so much violent crime and crime in general? The easy access to guns?
America could never function as a peaceful society. It needs violence and war to function it appears, unfortunatly.
People need hand guns to protect themselves from tyranny.Do you guys seriously think for one minute the goverment wouldn't try it.Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.
When something like this school shooting happens,I remember how the school bullies made my young life miserable. I could have borrowed my grandfather's pistols,rifle and shotgun and done a lot of damage. But,this didn't happen as I was just as bullied and abused at home as at school,so thought it was a normal,accepted way of life[the old School Of Hard Knocks!]
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Can you really not see the irony in that statement?
mrmom2 said:
Can you really not see the irony in that statement?
If you aren't a good enough hunter to hit something with two shots, you shouldn't be there, Jay.
Best hunter I ever knew? An old native guy named Basil Buffalo (really...not making this up). He owned a single shot .22 made sometime in the distant past. He hunted everything from deer to ducks with it. He had a mongrel dog that could retrieve and point and a horse that used to steal my hat.
RE: Shooting at school in
Me neither. Jay. Except i can't understand why anyone would want a gun. Rifles for hunting but not handguns.
My dad ( a former hunter and ex navy) use to tell me that keeping weapons in the house is an excellent way to arm an intruder......
He only kept Rifles in our house. The last thing my dad hunted was the neighbours dog who chased my sister into our house and bit her.
Me neither. Jay. Except i can't understand why anyone would want a gun. Rifles for hunting but not handguns.
My dad ( a former hunter and ex navy) use to tell me that keeping weapons in the house is an excellent way to arm an intruder......
He only kept Rifles in our house. The last thing my dad hunted was the neighbours dog who chased my sister into our house and bit her.
LMAO.
That damned horse used to take my hat every chance he got. Never anybody else's. Basil would come to the farm to water the horse and see if there was any work and while Basil was talking to Grandpa the horse would take my hat. Never my brothers' hats, never my cousins', always mine.