Seems everyone has seperation plans...
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Good. Kenora is a nice town. I think that from Thunder Bay to the Alberta/Saskatchewan border should all be one province, actually. That tends to be the territory for salespeople and technicians in the area, anyway. Most importantly we could adopt the Saskatchewan time rules for the whole mega-province...never change the damned clocks.
Good. Kenora is a nice town. I think that from Thunder Bay to the Alberta/Saskatchewan border should all be one province, actually. That tends to be the territory for salespeople and technicians in the area, anyway. Most importantly we could adopt the Saskatchewan time rules for the whole mega-province...never change the damned clocks.
Any body know the name of the little resort town along the Manitoba ,Ontario border that has a lake and an beautiful old golf course in the middle of it .My dad took me there when i was kid and i loved it :wink:
Can't say for sure....
Here is a link to the North Western Ontario road map.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/traveller/map/images/pdf/northont/sheets/map13.pdf
Here is a link to the North Western Ontario road map.
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/traveller/map/images/pdf/northont/sheets/map13.pdf
RE: Seems everyone has se
I'd say Ingolf too. I can't think of another little town there.
I don't think Manitobans would stand for being run out of Toronto, Jay. People in Toronto have no idea what things are like out here, as a rule. People in Saskatchewan would rebel if they were joined with Alberta too. Even many of the Conservatives in Saskatchewan hate the Klein government because they remember all to well what similar policies did to Saskatchewan in the 1980s.
I had the TB/Man/Sask region when I was a tech though, and the area is a good fit. Similar attitudes, similar industries.
I'd say Ingolf too. I can't think of another little town there.
I don't think Manitobans would stand for being run out of Toronto, Jay. People in Toronto have no idea what things are like out here, as a rule. People in Saskatchewan would rebel if they were joined with Alberta too. Even many of the Conservatives in Saskatchewan hate the Klein government because they remember all to well what similar policies did to Saskatchewan in the 1980s.
I had the TB/Man/Sask region when I was a tech though, and the area is a good fit. Similar attitudes, similar industries.
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I haven't measured it on a map, but I think Winnipeg would be someplace around the middle. Maybe it would cure the Perimeteritis that has plagued every provincial government Manitoba has ever had.
I haven't measured it on a map, but I think Winnipeg would be someplace around the middle. Maybe it would cure the Perimeteritis that has plagued every provincial government Manitoba has ever had.
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Hi. I am new here. Not being from either Manitoba, Ontario, Saskatchewan or Alberta, though, I cannot make comments about any of them. Being non political, I am not aware of the reasons why Saskatchewanites (is that right??) would hate the Klein policies. Albertans always claim to have the best of everything, and people seem to make jokes about Saskatchewan. I am totally unaware of what "similar policies" you are talking about, and would really like to get your take, so I can discuss this with the Albertans I know when they start to tell me how great Alberta is.
Thank you.
Reverend Blair said:
Hi. I am new here. Not being from either Manitoba, Ontario, Saskatchewan or Alberta, though, I cannot make comments about any of them. Being non political, I am not aware of the reasons why Saskatchewanites (is that right??) would hate the Klein policies. Albertans always claim to have the best of everything, and people seem to make jokes about Saskatchewan. I am totally unaware of what "similar policies" you are talking about, and would really like to get your take, so I can discuss this with the Albertans I know when they start to tell me how great Alberta is.
Thank you.
In the 1980's, Saskatchewan was ruled by the Devine government. A lot of the policies of the Devine government were similar in ideology and action to the present-day Klein government in Alberta. The problem is that Saskatchewan doesn't have massive amounts of oil money, so the province was almost bankrupted.
Even while the province was being sucked dry and its assets sold off to Devine's closest corporate buddies, services were being cut. Job losses were massive. Small businesses were pushed into bankruptcy at an ever-increasing rate. The provincial debt was totally out of control.
It's taken years to turn things around, and even the Saskatchewan Party (who used to be Devine's PCs) are careful not to endorse Klein-like policies too closely. They know where those policies lead in a province without massive oil wealth.
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No, you weren't mistaken. Saskatchewan does have quite a few resources and is now a have province, thanks to the careful management of the NDP.
They do not have the massive oil wealth of Alberta though. A lot of Saskatchewan's wealth comes from things like potash (privatised by the Devine government...the NDP sold off the few remaining shares since they afforded no control over the industry and provided no income, only risk. The Saskatchewan Party then accused the NDP of privatising potash). That's just one example.
Most of Saskatchewan does not want to see further privatisation (and loss of control) of their natural resources. That falls on both sides of the political spectrum.
The same goes for health care. While Klein is pushing to bring in private, two tier care in Alberta, Saskatchewan is where public health care started in this country and support for it remains strong even in Conservative ridings.
You have to remember that Saskatchewan's history is one of switching back and forth between the CCF/NDP and the Conservative/Liberals. Nobody in the province buys into the anti-socialist rhetoric spewed by the far right too much. The NDP in Saskatchewan have a better fiscal record than anybody else, so the lies you hear about that in places like Alberta and Ontario aren't taken seriously by the majority of the population.
It runs more along the lines of whether a particular government is doing a good job and if their policies are working. Nobody wants to get too close to policies that failed in the past, and policies very similar to Klein's have failed within the memory of most of the population.
No, you weren't mistaken. Saskatchewan does have quite a few resources and is now a have province, thanks to the careful management of the NDP.
They do not have the massive oil wealth of Alberta though. A lot of Saskatchewan's wealth comes from things like potash (privatised by the Devine government...the NDP sold off the few remaining shares since they afforded no control over the industry and provided no income, only risk. The Saskatchewan Party then accused the NDP of privatising potash). That's just one example.
Most of Saskatchewan does not want to see further privatisation (and loss of control) of their natural resources. That falls on both sides of the political spectrum.
The same goes for health care. While Klein is pushing to bring in private, two tier care in Alberta, Saskatchewan is where public health care started in this country and support for it remains strong even in Conservative ridings.
You have to remember that Saskatchewan's history is one of switching back and forth between the CCF/NDP and the Conservative/Liberals. Nobody in the province buys into the anti-socialist rhetoric spewed by the far right too much. The NDP in Saskatchewan have a better fiscal record than anybody else, so the lies you hear about that in places like Alberta and Ontario aren't taken seriously by the majority of the population.
It runs more along the lines of whether a particular government is doing a good job and if their policies are working. Nobody wants to get too close to policies that failed in the past, and policies very similar to Klein's have failed within the memory of most of the population.
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Thanks, I was not aware of all these details. I am now a little more interested in the differences, and would like some more thoughts from others, if you don't mind. It appears that you may have been involved personally in the Saskatchewan government?
Thanks again, and please, if anyone else has more thoughts on this, please let me know, I would like as much information as possible on any subject so I can develop opinions with as much information as possible.
Reverend Blair said:
Thanks, I was not aware of all these details. I am now a little more interested in the differences, and would like some more thoughts from others, if you don't mind. It appears that you may have been involved personally in the Saskatchewan government?
Thanks again, and please, if anyone else has more thoughts on this, please let me know, I would like as much information as possible on any subject so I can develop opinions with as much information as possible.
No, but I grew up there and know plenty of people from both sides of the political spectrum. My Grandmother and mother were quite involved in the NDP (the party side, not the government side) as well, and, because I know so many people from areas that are traditionally Conservative, I have several friends involved in the PC/SP in the same way.
It's funny...the conservatives in Saskatchewan have tried to claim Tommy Douglas as one of their own for years. Lately there has been a bit of a movement to do the same with Roy Romanow.
So you grew up on the prairies. Is Saskatchewan as flat as everyone says? Another question for you or any others, if you don't mnd: Everyone is always talking about the people leaving Saskatchewan for other provinces (there is a joke about the last one leaving to turn out the light?), with Alberta and BC being where they go, supposedly. Is this true, and if so, why?
(I just checked, still cannot get the little box around the quotes. If only I was semicomputer literate!)
No.
People do leave Saskatchewan. Traditionally it has been because of a lack of opportunity. That has been changing as the province diversifies.
The real reason they leave, of course, is that people in Alberta, BC, and Ontario are obviously in dire need of intelligent, well-educated people to help them. :wink:
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Nah, we don't want to give them a complex.
Actually, if you look around the country at various public and private posts, there are a disproportionate number of people who grew up in Saskatchewan, or were educated there, or started their careers there. I don't really know why that is, but it is.
Nah, we don't want to give them a complex.
Actually, if you look around the country at various public and private posts, there are a disproportionate number of people who grew up in Saskatchewan, or were educated there, or started their careers there. I don't really know why that is, but it is.