Secrets of Obama the messiah.

gopher

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''This recession was over 20 years in the making''


HAHAHA!!!!!!!

Clinton created 24 million jobs and the biggest expansion of the middle class in history. On top of that he wiped out the Republican created deficit.

What - do you work for Rush Limbaugh or some other crazy far right lunatic???

 

Zzarchov

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This recession was over 20 years in the making and greed from all sides fueled it. Obama is just kindling the fire with his rhetoric. Nothing he has said or done yet has given people the confidence to believe him..

No, not 20 years in the making, there was a recession already in that time, the dot com bust.

This is a very modern problem. The facts are in, group shared costs are more efficient than each individual repeating the costs.

Sorry, reality has proven the flaws in the American system, thats why every other developed nation has moved past it.

As great as America was, it could have been greater if it stopped shooting itself in the foot and wasting money to avoid payign a quarter of the cost in tax.
 

ironsides

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''This recession was over 20 years in the making''


HAHAHA!!!!!!!

Clinton created 24 million jobs and the biggest expansion of the middle class in history. On top of that he wiped out the Republican created deficit.

What - do you work for Rush Limbaugh or some other crazy far right lunatic???

Not so fast with the HAHAHA!!!!!!!
It was the creation of jobs that got this economic problem going. People had money banks started making it easy for anybody to buy a house. Whether you could afford it or not didn't matter. They used to have 100% financing. Anyone could buy a 2nd or 3rd home with little or no financing in hope of making 20%+ profit in 6 months to a year. That is what destroyed the housing market. I own a little home, paid 167K in 1999. Over the next 5 years the price went up to $650K. People actually paid that and now that the home values are back down where they should be, they own lees than what they are financing. Interest ARM rates began coming due, and people cannot affort their homes anymore. Clinton made it so easy to buy a home, as did every President up untill last year. I mean anyone could do it, have a job, don't have a job it didn't matter.
 

ironsides

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We'd travel to the US if we had pay medicine too. And we used to. Thats nothing to do with socialized medicine, that has to do with we are 1/10th your size.

That is why despite having many such specialists that others in the world fly to, for some conditions American's need to fly to the UK or Israel, even though both are socialized.

And note, when I say expensive, I don't mean to the average American (though it is there too)

I mean to the American economy, it simply cannot hanlde so many sick people. And no matter how cheap you make it in a private pay model, its always cheaper to be the free rider. Thats the exact same reason why firefighters went socialized. Why pay for firefighters? If your house burns down your neighbour will pay for firefighters to keep it from spreading.

Its pretty clear you don't understand how "Socialized medicine" works if you think it somehow impacts quality. It doesn't change the amount of services, or the quality offered. It only changes the payment option.

Its a group health plan, that its. Most Americans on health care are already on a group health plan, the net change is 0, except the group is bigger.

Preventive medicine which we do not get without insurance would save many lives as well as money. That is where socialized medicine stands out and would be better.
 

Zzarchov

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Preventive medicine which we do not get without insurance would save many lives as well as money. That is where socialized medicine stands out and would be better.

It saves alot of money, it generates even more. People hire employees because they need work done to earn wealth for themselves. If you are sick, you aren't earning money and you are costing the employers money.

When a factory opens, one of the things they look at in their potential workforce is how healthy the population is and how liable they are to lose work hours to illness.

The US loses on this count and countless factories have probably reloacted to places where they have a reliable workforce. They also aren't interested in paying for health insurance, only to have a competing factory open up next door once the area is healthier, not pay health insurance and act as a "free rider".

the USA really can't afford to throw away jobs anymore.
 

ironsides

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What some U.S. factories did was move to countries like Mexico that do not require health benefits, as I'm sure Canadian companies did, just to cut costs. Obama did say during the campaign that he would make it beneficial for those companies to bring their manufacturing jobs back who knows. We do have a reliable workforce sitting around with no work to do. All those auto workers will have to be retrained as will many others. We not in for easy times for a while.
 

ironsides

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''Simply put ... what a jerk''


If you don't like Obama, vote him out of office. Alternately, you are free to leave the country as it is quite evident that he and his ideas are going to be around for a long time.

;)


"Better in the Bahamas." :idea:
 

gopher

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''Clinton made it so easy to buy a home''


Bush lost millions of jobs so that people went broke and could not meet their payment obligations-- thanks for validating my statement
 

Tyr

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Tuesday, March 3, 2009
BLANKLEY: Obama lied; the economy died


Tony Blankley


OP-ED:
I am trying to capture the spirit of bipartisanship as practiced by the Democratic Party over the last eight years.
Thus, I have chosen as my lead, the proposition: Obama lied; the economy died. Obviously, I am borrowing this from the Democratic Party theme of 2003-08: "Bush lied, people died." There are, of course, two differences between the two slogans.
Most importantly, I chose to separate the two clauses with a semicolon rather than a comma because the rule of grammar is that a semicolon rather than a comma) should be used between closely related independent clauses not conjoined with a coordinating conjunction. In the age of Barack Obama, there is little more important than maintaining the integrity of our language - against the onslaught of Orwellian language abuse that is already a babbling brook, and will soon be a cataract of verbal deception.
The other difference is that George W. Bush didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He was merely mistaken. Whereas President Obama told a whopper last week when he claimed he was not for bigger government. As he said Tuesday night: "As soon as I took office, I asked this Congress to send me a recovery plan by President's Day that would put people back to work and put money in their pockets. Not because I believe in bigger government - I don't."
This he asserted though the budget he proposed the next day asks for federal spending as 28 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), higher by at least 6 percent than any time since World War II. Moreover, after 10 years, Mr. Obama's proposed spending as a percentage of GDP would still be 22.6 percent, nearly 2 percentage points higher than any year during the Bush administration, despite the full costs of the terrorist attacks of Sept, 11, 2001, the Iraq and Afghan wars and the rebuilding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
Consider also his assertion in his not-quite-State of the Union address that:
"My administration has also begun to go line by line through the federal budget in order to eliminate wasteful and ineffective programs. As you can imagine, this is a process that will take some time. But we're starting with the biggest lines. We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."
But, lamentably, a few days later, The Washington Post reported: "A senior administration official acknowledged yesterday that the budget does not contain $2 trillion in spending cuts over the next decade. Instead, the figure represents Obama's total efforts at deficit reduction, including tax hikes [of more than $1 trillion] on families making over $250,000 a year. It also includes hundreds of billions of dollars 'saved' by not continuing to spend $170 billion a year in Iraq."
Only a big government man would think of calling a trillion-dollar tax increase a spending cut or "saving." Technically, of course, it is true. A trillion-dollar tax increase will reduce spending by a trillion dollars for those private citizens who were taxed. And, from the perspective of the federal government, a trillion dollars taxed is a trillion dollars saved from the greed of the taxpayers who produced the wealth - and might well want to spend or invest it in non governmental activities.
But the foregoing are merely pettifogging numbers compared to Mr. Obama's bigger ideas about energy and health care.
Our president shares a fascinating idea about energy with most of what used to be known as the "small is beautiful" crowd. It is a curious phenomenon that one needs a very big government to enforce the beauty of small.
As Mr. Obama's energy secretary, Steven Chu, said last year: The price of electricity in America is "anomalously low." You see how much smarter that Nobel prize winner is than you. You probably thought you were already spending enough on electricity and fuel.
And sure enough, Mr. Obama explained last week that in order to make alternative energy sources wind, solar - perhaps eventually human muscle power? - economically competitive, he intends to raise the price of carbon-based energy until it is so expensive that even solar power will be such-a-deal.
This level of destructive irrationality cannot be accomplished in the private sector. It will take a very big government indeed to bring such inanities into being. (disclosure: being rational, I give professional advice to carbon-based energy producers.)
If President Obama were to try to misrepresent his positions for the next four years, there would be nothing he could say that would approach the inaccuracy of his claim last week that he is not for big government. It is the essence of the man and his presidency. He doesn't like America the way it has been since its founding - and it will take an abusively big government to realize his dreams of converting America into something quite different. If you don't know that, you don't yet know Barack Obama.
Tony Blankley is the author of "American Grit: What It Will Take To Survive and Win in the 21st Century" and vice president of the Edelman public-relations firm in Washington

Obama lied; the economy died

Interesting. So you think the economy was OK before Obama took office? Or was it 8 yrs of Republican economic mismangement and corruption that tanked the economy... I'd go with the latter
 

Tyr

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Not so fast with the HAHAHA!!!!!!!
It was the creation of jobs that got this economic problem going. People had money banks started making it easy for anybody to buy a house. Whether you could afford it or not didn't matter. They used to have 100% financing. Anyone could buy a 2nd or 3rd home with little or no financing in hope of making 20%+ profit in 6 months to a year. That is what destroyed the housing market. I own a little home, paid 167K in 1999. Over the next 5 years the price went up to $650K. People actually paid that and now that the home values are back down where they should be, they own lees than what they are financing. Interest ARM rates began coming due, and people cannot affort their homes anymore. Clinton made it so easy to buy a home, as did every President up untill last year. I mean anyone could do it, have a job, don't have a job it didn't matter.

It was the creation of jobs that got this economic problem going.

I guess that whole theory of economic growth escapes you
 

Tyr

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Is President Barack Obama trying to do too many things at the expense of focusing on Job One: the economy? While Obama has everyone worrying about the economy, he is sneaking other parts of his agenda thru.

Obama is and never will be like FDR.

Is Obama taking on too much at once, at economy's expense?

PS: I like the gopher.

If Obama "forgot" or put aside the various illegal wars the Americans are embroiled in to concentrate on fixing up the Bush economic mess, Republicans would riot in the streets

So, no. He has his hands overflowing with trying to repair eight years of hell
 

Tyr

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But he is trying to do it all at once. Get the economy on the right track first. Then get the people mad, not now.

To "get the economy on the right track" will take a minimum 6 months to a year.

In the interim, does he bring the troops home or do they just go on vacation - maybe sight-seeing?
 

Tyr

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He is starting to bring them home, he will leave about 50,000 though."maybe sight-seeing? " in Afghanistan.

he will leave about 50,000 though."maybe sight-seeing? " in Afghanistan

Hmmm. Without political direction and oversight?

Sounds like the return of Blackwater.