Scientists on the Pope’s misguided climate-change bicycle

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Krauss and Pinker on the Pope’s misguided climate-change bicycle

Scientific American asked physicist Lawrence Krauss to comment on Pope Francis’s long encyclical on global warming. Krauss’s piece, “Ideology subsumes empiricism in Pope’s climate encyclical,” gives to the Pope with one hand but slaps him with the other.

Krauss lauds the Pope for the his no-nonsense acceptance of anthropogenic global warming, and his warning that climate change has the most severe impact on the poor. But then Krauss faults Francis for his solution, which is apparently to blame consumerism and rule population control out of bounds (see quotes at bottom).

Krauss:

An encyclical wouldn’t be an encyclical without theology however, and that is where problems arise. In a chapter entitled “Gospel of Creation” Francis ruminates poetically on the nature of man, the mystery of the cosmos (my own area of study) and the special duty Christians have to respect nature, humanity and the environment. It’s beautifully presented and sounds good in principle. However, his biblical analysis leads to the false conclusion that contraception and population control are not appropriate strategies to help a planet with limited resources.

. . . Here, ideology subsumes empiricism, and the inevitable conflict between science and religion comes to the fore. One can argue until one is blue in the face that God has a preordained plan for every zygote, but the simple fact is that if one is seriously worried about the environment on a global scale population is a problem. A population of 10 billion by 2050 will likely be unsustainable at a level in which all humans have adequate food, water, medicine and security. Moreover, as this pope should particularly appreciate, the environmental problems that overpopulation creates alsodisproportionately afflict those in poor countries, where access to birth control and abortion is often limited.

. . . The Catholic Church and its leaders can never be truly objective and useful arbiters of human behavior until they are willing to dispense with doctrine that can thwart real progress. In this sense, the latest encyclical took several steps forward, and then a leap back.

In an email discussion of this piece among several of us, Steve Pinker wrote that the Pope didn’t go far enough (remarks quoted with permission):

I’d say several steps back, actually. It’s not just reproductive rights. The pontiff continues in the millennia-long Catholic tradition of vilifying technology, commerce, and ordinary people enjoying the fruits of material progress. So he puts the blame on economics and consumerism. But the solution to climate change is not to moralize from on high and implore people—particularly the poor people who he claims to sympathize with—to learn to be abstemious for the common good and do without central heating, electric lights, and efficient transport. Billions of people aren’t going to do that. Not even the Pope—especially not the Pope—is going to do that. The solution is economic and technological: a global carbon tax, and investment in the development of new energy technologies. The Pope shows no signs of acknowledging this, because it leaves him and his church no special role.


In Chapter 6 of The Bicycle, the pontiff includes a section called “Towards a New Lifestyle,” blaming individual consumerism while, in the previous chapter, he exculpates population growth. I quote from the text (my emphases):

(Chapter 6) 206. A change in lifestyle could bring healthy pressure to bear on those who wield political, economic and social power. This is what consumer movements accomplish by boycotting certain products. They prove successful in changing the way businesses operate, forcing them to consider their environmental footprint and their patterns of production. When social pressure affects their earnings, businesses clearly have to find ways to produce differently. This shows us the great need for a sense of social responsibility on the part of consumers. “Purchasing is always a moral – and not simply economic – act”. Today, in a word, “the issue of environmental degradation challenges us to examine our lifestyle”.

Nota bene from Chapter 5:

50. Instead of resolving the problems of the poor and thinking of how the world can be different, some can only propose a reduction in the birth rate. At times, developing countries face forms of international pressure which make economic assistance contingent on certain policies of “reproductive health”. Yet “while it is true that an unequal distribution of the population and of available resources creates obstacles to development and a sustainable use of the environment, it must nonetheless be recognized that demographic growth is fully compatible with an integral and shared development”. To blame population growth instead of extreme and selective consumerism on the part of some, is one way of refusing to face the issues.

Apparently, condoms are not the solution. But who would ever think that the Vatican would see population growth as the cause of any problem? As Krauss notes, here we see a direct conflict between a scientific and a religious solution.

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How laughable... Krauss, apparently some kind of famed scientician, doesn't believe that this mythical AGW has nothing to do with the actual number of emitters (read: consumers).

Herein lies the base reason that no one believes in the voodoo 'science' of AGW anymore
 

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How laughable... Krauss, apparently some kind of famed scientician, doesn't believe that this mythical AGW has nothing to do with the actual number of emitters (read: consumers).

Herein lies the base reason that no one believes in the voodoo 'science' of AGW anymore

 

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Ideology subsumes empiricism in Pope’s climate encyclical,”

Krauss got that right but the rest of it wrong. He assumes that the only answer to 'Anthropogenic' Gobal Warming is to reduce the human footprint on pristine Mother Earth. Laudato Si is a highly ideological and unrealistic document.. but not for the reasons he gives.

First of all there is NO AGW, nada, it is a myth, a philosophical and political agenda without an ounce of scientific merit. Second the ony sure way to ensure collapse of the biosphere is to remove or radically reduce its human component. We are destined to multiply and to subdue the earth.. that forms the essential purpose of Creation of which the Earth and humankind are a part.. that is a foundational credo of the Church.

Second he missed that Pope Francis knows little of the psuedoscience of AGW, and cares even less. He sees this only as an instrument to implement a grand vision of redistribution of wealth from North to South. A vision he's developed that has little to do with Faith, nothing to do with the Church's primary mandate of conversion of the world to Christ.

The document is filled with contradictions, vague allusions, poetic demagoguery and monumental objectives of some eco-utopian community sharing the earth's wealth without reliance on technological development to remedy the inevitable trade offs between economic necessity and ecological custodianship. It subordinates the role of nations to that of U.N. Supervised Climate Agreements in an ill thought out implementation strategy to cede global domination to the world's most fanatical population reduction organization.

The Vatican had notorious climate propogandist Hans Joachim Schellnhuber of the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research, a major AGW screed disseminating and fear mongering outfit, on stage to introduce the document. This is someone who is an avowed Atheist, has called for the world's population to be reduced to less than a billion, and for a elimination of all carbon emissions by developed nations by 2020.

He is a complete nutcase, and having him on stage in conference with Vatican officials is deeply offensive and embarrassing. Francis seems driven by some naive and delusional sense that the Church can kiss and make up with the Devil, and everyone will just get along. It ignores that at its core the AGW lobby and radical environmentalism is profoundly anti-human and anti-Christian in its ideology. It is an embodiment of all that the theology of the Church, over 2000 years, has defined as a nexus of Evil.

In Section 23 it outrightly declares AGW as virtually proven, without any reference to the compelling and overwhelming evidence that it is a Fraud. This document is NOT interested in Truth.. it is NOT interested in the eschatological mandate of the Church. Instead it follows an idiosyncratic and Quixotic vision developed by Francis of economic and cultural revolution in preference of the poor. It resembles some evolution of the discredited Liberation Theology, inspired by Marxist dialectical materialism and not faith.

Francis is increasingly presenting himself as a revolutionary ideologist, with deep contempt for the Patrimony and the Deposit of Faith of the Church which he is sworn to defend. Don't confuse this with Catholicism, this is all about the Church of Francis. Implementation of any of this would be disastrous for the world.. and especially the world's poor.
 
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How laughable... Krauss, apparently some kind of famed scientician, doesn't believe that this mythical AGW has nothing to do with the actual number of emitters (read: consumers).

Herein lies the base reason that no one believes in the voodoo 'science' of AGW anymore

It is still a viable platform for wealth redistribution and Canadian deindustrialization to meet emissions.....

Unless it's a GM plant closure and relocation.
 

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Confused?

Sadly, MF is not confused... People like him parrot the same party-line irrespective of any logic or fundamental realities, hence his perpetual reliance on memes and gifs as a crutch as to not answering any direct questions.

It is still a viable platform for wealth redistribution and Canadian deindustrialization to meet emissions.....

Yabut, doesn't that imply that there is an actual consumer population?


Unless it's a GM plant closure and relocation.

Then, it's anyone but Justine's fault

Autofacetiousness will give you hairy emotions.

Is it possible that someone might see a tragic end via autofacetiousness?

..... One can only hope
 

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Pope Frank just wants Argentina to get piece of the Brazilian pie.

It about money and only money. There is no shortage of food to go around.
 

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Krauss and Pinker on the Pope’s misguided climate-change bicycle
Krauss is totally misguided, even moreso than the Pope. Anyone who says overpopulation is a problem hasn't bothered reading any science in 20 years.
 
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captain morgan

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Pope Frank just wants Argentina to get piece of the Brazilian pie.

It about money and only money. There is no shortage of food to go around.

The entire AGW myth is solely about money and moreso, transactions... How many transactions can the UN, Gore, Sukuki, et al get in the middle of such that they can carve-off a small chunk to enable their self-imposed dynasties?

IF those proponents of AGW are sincere about their belief, then this IS about the number of carbon/ghg emitters (read: population) that are in the equation.... Full stop... Only an @sshole would think otherwise.

Energy supplies, availability of foodstuffs, etc are only a symptom of what is a larger issue, and not that I agree with AGW (obviously, I don't), it is laughable that these schysters don't have the balls to recognize what is the end-game of their own feeble argument.
 

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It is impossible to integrate the cult of AGW.. founded in an ideology of profound pessimism and antipathy to any divine or human destiny to theology of the Church of Christ.. which subsists within the Roman Catholic Church. This vast contadiction seems above Pope Francis' reasoning.. so besotted is he with his 'radical preference for the poor'.. which is the mantra of Liberation Theology.
 
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