Russian Civil War

petros

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Prigozhin, his Wagner troops AND defected Russian army troops (25000) are on their way to Moscow. They've taken control of 2 oblasts so far.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Well, the not so subtle forecast of the March of internet Memes agree with what you’re stating.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Saturday he ordered his military to act against the Wagner paramilitary group that seized the southern Russian city of Rostov, describing its actions as treason that put the country’s survival in peril.

As Wagner columns moved toward Moscow Saturday, they were attacked by Russian aircraft in the Voronezh region, some 300 miles south of the capital. Videos from the area showed the city of Voronezh’s main fuel depot ablaze, a Ka-52 helicopter destroying a vehicle, and another helicopter narrowly escaping a Wagner antiaircraft missile. A Russian plane was also shot down.
Lots of Memes of Ukrainian soldiers, eating popcorn, and watching TV as this unfolds.

The crisis unfolding in Russia represents the most serious challenge to Putin’s 23-year rule—a direct consequence of the strains put on Russian society and armed forces by the war that he unleashed against Ukraine in February last year.

While Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the Russian president remained in the Kremlin, flight-monitoring services showed that at least two special flight-squadron aircraft used by Russia’s top leadership left the capital for St. Petersburg on Saturday. Russian troops started preparing fortifications on approaches to Moscow.
 

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Can someone explain this to me in a way a public school kid can understand with political leanings?
 

Ron in Regina

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Can someone explain this to me in a way a public school kid can understand with political leanings?
This is the way that I understand it, right or wrong. Putins Military is overrated. Russia had built a separate military of mercenaries so that it could have plausible deniability in foreign conflicts. This is Wagner.

The Actual Russian Military pays for shit. The mercenary group Wagner pays much better, but only takes the cream of the crop from what was available.

This leads to a division between the Actual Russian Military & Wagner. Animosity….

They’re separate. Wagner was used as an extension of the Russian Military. Wagner, during the Ukraine “Special Three Day Engagement” or whatever Putin called the last 18 months or so…Wagner wasn’t considered “Real” Russian Military. Lead to infighting. Lots of dirty shit happened between the Actual Putin’s Russian Military and Wagner. More animosity. Some actual fighting between the two groups over short resources from the Russian Government.

Putin sides with the Actual Military, Wagner is left with the cream of trained soldiers but without ammunition at times, etc…more infighting between the two groups.

Head of Wagner with an unpronounceable Russian name is more than pissed. He sounds off against Putin. That’s not something that’s smiled upon in Russia. This escalates.

Open fighting between the two groups happens. Wagner decides, enough of this shit!!….& here we are now. Wagner heading towards Moscow with better trained soldiers, what’s left of the actual Russian Military trying to fortify their own capital city…& Putin, most likely in hiding somewhere, but claiming to actually still be in Moscow.

24 hours from now, the story could be completely different. That’s my best short short version.
 

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This is the way that I understand it, right or wrong. Putins Military is overrated. Russia had built a separate military of mercenaries so that it could have plausible deniability in foreign conflicts. This is Wagner.

The Actual Russian Military pays for shit. The mercenary group Wagner pays much better, but only takes the cream of the crop from what was available.

This leads to a division between the Actual Russian Military & Wagner. Animosity….

They’re separate. Wagner was used as an extension of the Russian Military. Wagner, during the Ukraine “Special Three Day Engagement” or whatever Putin called the last 18 months or so…Wagner wasn’t considered “Real” Russian Military. Lead to infighting. Lots of dirty shit happened between the Actual Putin’s Russian Military and Wagner. More animosity. Some actual fighting between the two groups over short resources from the Russian Government.

Putin sides with the Actual Military, Wagner is left with the cream of trained soldiers but without ammunition at times, etc…more infighting between the two groups.

Head of Wagner with an unpronounceable Russian name is more than pissed. He sounds off against Putin. That’s not something that’s smiled upon in Russia. This escalates.

Open fighting between the two groups happens. Wagner decides, enough of this shit!!….& here we are now. Wagner heading towards Moscow with better trained soldiers, what’s left of the actual Russian Military trying to fortify their own capital city…& Putin, most likely in hiding somewhere, but claiming to actually still be in Moscow.

24 hours from now, the story could be completely different. That’s my best short short version.
That's amazing.
Thank you so much.
 
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Ron in Regina

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That's amazing.
Thank you so much.
Stuff is changing quickly. Lots of misinformation and disinformation and even some cisinformation, but everybody and their dog now has a smart phone with a camera on it capable of taking a video…so some crazy things out there to be seen that conflict with everything.

Officials across the administration convened emergency meetings on Friday night to assess the events, which unfolded so quickly that they caught US and European officials off guard, the sources said. Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the private Wagner military group, vowed Friday to retaliate against Russian military leadership over an alleged strike on a Wagner military camp and has since claimed control of military facilities in two Russian cities.
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Ron in Regina

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This is supposed to be one of the highways is leading in the Moscow. Apparently, Wagner is potentially within an hour or two of arriving there.
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I’ve seen several other pictures this morning of Russian military equipment parked tightly in a zigzag across the highways, with their tires slashed and their batteries missing, as obstacles to just trying to slow Wagner down in their advance.
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Hmm I guess Bedpan was right after all. Evil nazis plotting to attack Russia and take over Moscow.

Wagner PMC: named after Hitler's favourite composer and utilizes the same 'Z' symbol that Rommel's Afrika Corps used.