Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[sanctus]

Yes, that's exactly the point I'm making in my posts, all religions should enjoy themselves, and not
constantly push their way into other peoples religions, by insisting they are better, or, the other isn't
any good. They just can't seem to do that, it's like they are always looking over the fence into the
other's yard spying and judging.
The Pope saying they are the only true religion is deliberately trying to provoke arguement amongst
religions, if he believes that, fine, that's great, good for him, but keep it to themselves, because
others might believe 'theirs' is the true religion.

The church is not "pushing" into anyone's beliefs. It is stating its beliefs, period. If one believes that Jesus was actually God, and that it was through His instigation that a Church was formed, logically that body would the Catholic Church. Nowhere in Scriptures does it state that Christ established the "churches".

 

[sanctus]

They aren't putting you down for not being catholic though. They are saying "We believe we are right, and that by definition, beliefs contrary to ours are wrong", and, they are saying it amonst themselves.

Stop listening in to their private conversations about their faith if you don't like it.

It is a painful situation when a member of the family (or even friends) is not a member of HMC - that's the downfall of the pluralistic situation society is in today and one in which we are all constantly confronted with. It's hard to wrap our little minds around the reality of the situation when we love people so dearly and they are outside of Christ's Church. But truth is truth - and Christ did establish ONE Church and wants everyone to be a part of it.

If someone is outside this Church, they are in spiritual jeopardy and we are COMMANDED by Christ to call them to conversion. Somewhere along the way, someone, somewhere, has got to verbalize it (with charity of course) or we are going to have to answer for our inaction. God help us if we all fail to call others to His Church!

 

[Pangloss]

Hey Sanctus, nice to hear from you!

My point isn't really about the inner workings of any church - my point is that the secular world tends to back off and shut up when matters of faith are discussed, and I think that is a mistake.

Religions are just as subject to critical examination as any other subject. The people in charge of them are proper subjects of public discourse as is any CEO or head of state.

Pangloss

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It is a painful situation when a member of the family (or even friends) is not a member of HMC - that's the downfall of the pluralistic situation society is in today and one in which we are all constantly confronted with. It's hard to wrap our little minds around the reality of the situation when we love people so dearly and they are outside of Christ's Church. But truth is truth - and Christ did establish ONE Church and wants everyone to be a part of it.

If someone is outside this Church, they are in spiritual jeopardy and we are COMMANDED by Christ to call them to conversion. Somewhere along the way, someone, somewhere, has got to verbalize it (with charity of course) or we are going to have to answer for our inaction. God help us if we all fail to call others to His Church!

So you have had personal conversations with Jesus Christ and he has told you the RC church is His only church? If so, perhaps a visit to your local mental health facility may be in order.

 

[talloola]

Lil off topic here...this one is dedicated to talloola...
I was asking A Tibetian Geshe,he lived in Edmonton, taught in toronto from time to time, about the Lotus Sutra.
Some Buddhist feel this is the ultimate teaching and some sects get very sectarian over it.
He smiled knowing the loaded questions i had....he went like this:
"The lotus sutra is a very high teaching".
"Do you know what the highest teaching the Buddha ever gave"?
I know he could see in me the sheer joy to finnally find the truth...I was really on fire.....

"So do you want me to tell you the ultimate teaching"?
I nodded....really anxious...
"
"There is no highest teaching, David"
floored
"They all are to make your actions positive and not cause harm to other sentient beings"
Not just the Buddha's teaching but all teachings or religions."
"None better than others , for there is one for each person, and their developement towards living a life of no harm to other sentients."



At the time i was soooooooo disapointed.......really dissapointed and i knew he knew i was dissapointed....but ahhhhhh looking back ....mmmmmmmm

That is wonderful, it reminds me of my daughter's belief, which is Sophian Nosticism, which
is similar to buddism, but western instead of eastern.

She says the same, there is no religion better than another, and her complete belief is
for happiness and peace for all.

I am in my own place, and have my own style of spirituality ,so I allow myself to get irritated by religions who claim they are
the only true one, 'give me a break'.

Thank you for the post, Talloola

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Do you not see the double standard? Right now you are looking down on people who believe in a faith different than your own. Principle aspects of that faith is "one god" and "no god but God".

So you are thinking you are better than them (if you think they are arrogant and you aren't, that is by definition what you are doing), because they don't conform to your beliefs.

I know its hard to see yourself from outside and realise how being human you act the same way even if for different causes. But you are.

So looking askance at some loudmouth bigot espousing his beliefs that his race is the only true pure race and all others are mud people would be wrong? Analogy is a bit extreme but you get my point......hopefully.

 

[Zzarchov]

Depends. Are you saying his is wrong because you think he's insane? Or are you saying he is wrong because he looks down at people with different views and you don't?

The first one is not a problem, the second one makes you a hypocrite.

Just admit you look down on people whom you think are wrong, you do this, because you think they are wrong and aren't getting into heaven, or paradise, or are going to be reincarnated as a worm or are just going to die cold and alone (aka, this hypothetical Nazi).

Don't lie to yourself and others about what your beef with him is.

 

[sanctus]

So you have had personal conversations with Jesus Christ and he has told you the RC church is His only church? If so, perhaps a visit to your local mental health facility may be in order.

You'll generally find that sarcasm works best when one has the intelligence to employ it with ease and wit. Since you clearly do not possess such skills, you might find it best not to write anything that displays your inability to be clever.

 

[sanctus]

Hey Sanctus, nice to hear from you!

My point isn't really about the inner workings of any church - my point is that the secular world tends to back off and shut up when matters of faith are discussed, and I think that is a mistake.

Religions are just as subject to critical examination as any other subject. The people in charge of them are proper subjects of public discourse as is any CEO or head of state.

Pangloss

I think it is a mistake as well, a serious mistake. Despite the personal beliefs anyone may hold, the Christian bodies, and the Catholic church in particular, wield enormous influence over a substantial segment of our population. To dismiss or ignore the actions and words of these bodies is foolhardy, at best.

 

[Walter]

Other things the pope is doing.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I think it is a mistake as well, a serious mistake. Despite the personal beliefs anyone may hold, the Christian bodies, and the Catholic church in particular, wield enormous influence over a substantial segment of our population. To dismiss or ignore the actions and words of these bodies is foolhardy, at best.

yeah we saw all this power in the last American election....
FUN WOW!!!!

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Other things the pope is doing.

:director::3some::jerk:

 

[Minority Observer84]

This stuff is intolerant .
But why do you who are not catholics care ?
I mean i wouldn't care if the pope said that he's the second coming , fact is no religion can prove what they claim but they all claim extarordinary things . He believes it and weather catholics as a whole agree with him or not is an internal discussion anyone outside the catholic church should not care because you do not recognise his apostolic athourity anyways .

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

This stuff is intolerant .
But why do you who are not catholics care ?
I mean i wouldn't care if the pope said that he's the second coming , fact is no religion can prove what they claim but they all claim extarordinary things . He believes it and weather catholics as a whole agree with him or not is an internal discussion anyone outside the catholic church should not care because you do not recognise his apostolic athourity anyways .

The moment it became a press release for the non-catholic general public is when us non-catholics have a right to comment. If it was truely a internal Catholic matter, it would have been delivered to the bishops and then down to the masses inside the church.

 

[Minority Observer84]

The moment it became a press release for the non-catholic general public is when us non-catholics have a right to comment. If it was truely a internal Catholic matter, it would have been delivered to the bishops and then down to the masses inside the church.

I am not saying you do not have a right to comment , i'am just wondering why you care ?
Look i agree that it's not a very tolerant or enlightened way of looking at others especially people whom are so close to your view theologically but i just don't care about anything the pope says period good or bad . He is the leader of the catholic church , they believe him to be god's voice on earth .But for the rest of us who do not think of him as such why should we care what some old man in rome has to say . It's just not relevant .

 

[Pangloss]

I am not saying you do not have a right to comment , i'am just wondering why you care ?
Look i agree that it's not a very tolerant or enlightened way of looking at others especially people whom are so close to your view theologically but i just don't care about anything the pope says period good or bad . He is the leader of the catholic church , they believe him to be god's voice on earth .But for the rest of us who do not think of him as such why should we care what some old man in rome has to say . It's just not relevant .

Rather a naive view, M.O. The religious among us wield a profound effect on our lives; they bully politicians and the judiciary; censor the media (mostly through organized pressure groups) and generally stick their noses into all of our lives and freedoms, invited or not.

It behooves us to pay close attention to everything the major churches do and say, and to criticize loudly anytime they attempt to screw with us and our liberties.

Pangloss

 

[look3467]

Every religious and non religious groups, establishments claim some thing, and that is not to say that it is truth!
The fact that there are so many denominations only goes to prove that diversity of believes come under one umbrella, love, and that umbrella covers all souls.
In fighting is because we fail to see the truth of God's love towards humanity, because we have been taught otherwise.
The good intentions of any organization towards God are always tainted by human lusts, thus rendering all and not one as a true church or organization.

The only true church of God lies within ourselves and the relationship we have with God.
He can and will reside in our souls heart if we allow Him, thus changing the whole outlook in life to that of faith and hope.
Even an unbeliever is loved by God so as to be a brother or sister to those who believe.
They may be our enemy, or our rival in beliefs, yet because God suffered Jesus to pay the price for all man-kinds sin, He is just and willing to forgive all our sins.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Minority Observer84]

It behooves us to pay close attention to everything the major churches do and say, and to criticize loudly anytime they attempt to screw with us and our liberties.

Pangloss

Well Said ! But in this case they are not , this is an internal matter for theists ,what i mean to say that as far as i'am concerned an argument about who's God's True church is about as important as an argument about the color of unicorn fur . Immaterial .

 

[Pangloss]

M.O.:

Not necessarily so. If every religion claims to be the one true one (and all but the insincere claim this), then this sheds some light on their mutual self-negation.

If the one and only thing all religions claim is that all the others are bull, the least we can do is agree with them.

Pangloss

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

This stuff is intolerant .
But why do you who are not catholics care ?
I mean i wouldn't care if the pope said that he's the second coming , fact is no religion can prove what they claim but they all claim extarordinary things . He believes it and weather catholics as a whole agree with him or not is an internal discussion anyone outside the catholic church should not care because you do not recognise his apostolic athourity anyways .

I was born roman Catholic.. i had a priest lie to me...lie as to where i was and he was...long story...after lieing in front of everyone..He Baited me and asked if i thought he was a lier...I was in high school if i said he was a lier i would have been in real trouble....i answered him"Well i know where i was on friday and thats all that is really important for me"

On the other hand i once tongued the ear of my priciple who was a nun..told her i had fantasies about her as well...i thought it was good way for her to not call my parents and let me stay at the dance even though i was blind drunk.....she called me parents...monday she called me in her room and never mentioned the tongueing...i was terrified.....i never got in trouble the rest of high school, no matter what any teacher sent me to her for.....

ahhhhhh catholics....hey sancto i found the pope in the pizza and bit his pepperoni......i think he liked it....