Well, to get technical about what the article discusses, even I took it out of context. It doesn't discuss the church being the true religion, but rather, the true church (as in, "we're the best Christians, so there"). And it nitpicks to define what other christian sects should be called. I don't think the term 'church' applies to the jews or the islamists does it? mosques, synagogues, masses, religion, yes these terms apply. But I've never heard a Jewish person apply the term 'church' to their religion.
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Well, to get technical about what the article discusses, even I took it out of context. It doesn't discuss the church being the true religion, but rather, the true church (as in, "we're the best Christians, so there"). And it nitpicks to define what other christian sects should be called. I don't think the term 'church' applies to the jews or the islamists does it? mosques, synagogues, masses, religion, yes these terms apply. But I've never heard a Jewish person apply the term 'church' to their religion.
Well, what church do you know that hides its beliefs? I don't know of many. And should they have to?
Do you not see the double standard? Right now you are looking down on people who believe in a faith different than your own. Principle aspects of that faith is "one god" and "no god but God".
So you are thinking you are better than them (if you think they are arrogant and you aren't, that is by definition what you are doing), because they don't conform to your beliefs.
I know its hard to see yourself from outside and realise how being human you act the same way even if for different causes. But you are.
No of course not, but keep your beliefs to yourself, unless of course, you are asking for controversy.
They know exactly what they are doing, just a bunch of men, ( no different than those who argue
over whose car is the best), trying to start something. Childish and typical of religious leaders, in
many walks of life.
Why should they have to keep their beliefs to themselves? Does anyone tell you to keep your atheism to yourself?
I would never make a statement like "Atheism is the only way to go", it is the only true path.
And, atheism isn't a belief or a religion. Unless I am criticized, or not respected for, 'who I am', I
do not attack others beliefs. I don't belong to any organized atheist group, I don't talk to other
atheists about religion, the only time I have ever discussed it is 'here', when I have been disrespected
for who I am.
And, keeping to the point, this is a 'big' announcement to the world, just inviting trouble.
When I say "keep' your beliefs to yourself, I'm referring to the point of the thread. Sure
lots of people can chat about their beliefs, and a really respect people doing that and
always leaving room for others to believe what they want. I think everyone should believe whatever they want, without having to listen to Mr Pope spout off to everyone.
You never said "God isn't real"?
And athiesm is a belief structure in the same way 0 is still a number. And that letter is to his own flock. If you don't want to hear what they have to say, stop listening to their private conversations.
And athiesm is a belief structure in the same way 0 is still a number. And that letter is to his own flock. If you don't want to hear what they have to say, stop listening to their private conversations.
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Yeah, that's an old arguement, stated many times. Zero is nothing, and my atheism is nothing. I
don't have a belief in a religion or god. So, as the arguement goes on and on, 'whatever'.
I don't relate to people who believe in God, don't understand what they believe, can't make myself
go there. I have my own spirituality. But I don't like to say that I don't believe, I like to 'just' believe in my own spirituality.
Everyone has to believe in 'whatever' they believe. I respect everyones right to do that. Good for them, hope they are happy, as I am.
If someone says to me 'I don't believe in atheism", I will say to them, good for you, you do your thing and I will do mine, now, "what do you take in your coffee?".
But, if they try to put me down for being an atheist, I will defend myself, and make them realize
they are being disrespectful.
My Lexus IS300 is better!
This arguement fits right in with religious one, which is about to start, 'mine is better than your ors'
They aren't putting you down for not being catholic though. They are saying "We believe we are right, and that by definition, beliefs contrary to ours are wrong", and, they are saying it amonst themselves.
Stop listening in to their private conversations about their faith if you don't like it.
Stop listening in to their private conversations about their faith if you don't like it.
I would love to see a law that states one can teach their religion but can never say they are in any way better than any other religion....also that all religions are equal and no one is right and the other wrong.
Simple thing . shouldn't cause too much trouble...LOL
Simple thing . shouldn't cause too much trouble...LOL
I suppose the occassional Latin mass would be a blast. A little ookie spookie once in a while never hurt anyone. I'm getting a kick out of Ratzinger using official channels with Latin to do what the Anglicans just finished managing to do sideways with the SS blessing thing.
should I put SS and Ratzinger in the same paragraph like that?
should I put SS and Ratzinger in the same paragraph like that?
Actually, we were just having a separate private conversation outside the Catholic Church about how silly Popes are. But if you are Catholic, feel free not to listen.
Yes, that's exactly the point I'm making in my posts, all religions should enjoy themselves, and not
constantly push their way into other peoples religions, by insisting they are better, or, the other isn't
any good. They just can't seem to do that, it's like they are always looking over the fence into the
other's yard spying and judging.
The Pope saying they are the only true religion is deliberately trying to provoke arguement amongst
religions, if he believes that, fine, that's great, good for him, but keep it to themselves, because
others might believe 'theirs' is the true religion.
The announcement wasn't a private conversation, but the pope telling all of us his special news
Lil off topic here...this one is dedicated to talloola...
I was asking A Tibetian Geshe,he lived in Edmonton, taught in toronto from time to time, about the Lotus Sutra.
Some Buddhist feel this is the ultimate teaching and some sects get very sectarian over it.
He smiled knowing the loaded questions i had....he went like this:
"The lotus sutra is a very high teaching".
"Do you know what the highest teaching the Buddha ever gave"?
I know he could see in me the sheer joy to finnally find the truth...I was really on fire.....
"So do you want me to tell you the ultimate teaching"?
I nodded....really anxious...
"
"There is no highest teaching, David"
floored
"They all are to make your actions positive and not cause harm to other sentient beings"
Not just the Buddha's teaching but all teachings or religions."
"None better than others , for there is one for each person, and their developement towards living a life of no harm to other sentients."
At the time i was soooooooo disapointed.......really dissapointed and i knew he knew i was dissapointed....but ahhhhhh looking back ....mmmmmmmm
I was asking A Tibetian Geshe,he lived in Edmonton, taught in toronto from time to time, about the Lotus Sutra.
Some Buddhist feel this is the ultimate teaching and some sects get very sectarian over it.
He smiled knowing the loaded questions i had....he went like this:
"The lotus sutra is a very high teaching".
"Do you know what the highest teaching the Buddha ever gave"?
I know he could see in me the sheer joy to finnally find the truth...I was really on fire.....
"So do you want me to tell you the ultimate teaching"?
I nodded....really anxious...
"
"There is no highest teaching, David"
floored
"They all are to make your actions positive and not cause harm to other sentient beings"
Not just the Buddha's teaching but all teachings or religions."
"None better than others , for there is one for each person, and their developement towards living a life of no harm to other sentients."
At the time i was soooooooo disapointed.......really dissapointed and i knew he knew i was dissapointed....but ahhhhhh looking back ....mmmmmmmm
Religion makes a claim about the nature of the universe and how it works.
Like any other claim, it is subject to refutation.
If it is a silly or preposterous claim, it is rightly subject to ridicule.
Yes, that means your faith, if you make it a public subject, is ripe for criticism and ridicule and satire and if it fits, condemnation. Keep it to yourself, and it is none of anybody's business.
Just like every other claim in human experience.
The Pope is a head of state and the head of a religion - he, and his pronouncements, are subject to the same "gloves off" treatment any other politician is subject to.
Pangloss
Like any other claim, it is subject to refutation.
If it is a silly or preposterous claim, it is rightly subject to ridicule.
Yes, that means your faith, if you make it a public subject, is ripe for criticism and ridicule and satire and if it fits, condemnation. Keep it to yourself, and it is none of anybody's business.
Just like every other claim in human experience.
The Pope is a head of state and the head of a religion - he, and his pronouncements, are subject to the same "gloves off" treatment any other politician is subject to.
Pangloss
Actually, it's according to the ecumenical council of Vatican II in Dominus Iesus, not just Pope Benedict.
This is not a grey area. There is one Church, which subsists in the Catholic Church (that is, all true, particular churches in communion with the See of Peter). All Baptised Christians are part of the One Church; however, not all Christians are in full communion with the Church, hence "imperfectly joined".
It'd be easier to just say "Roman Catholics are in, everyone else is out", but reality isn't that easy.
Before we start this "according to the Pope" stuff, I suggest reading the Popes actual words without the 'assistance' of the article providing a few sentences of quote and allot of commentary. The Holy Father is not stating a new teaching, or anything that should surprise or shock anyone. This has been the constant teaching of the Church since the beginning. The real question, I suppose, is why the Holy Father felt it necessary to repeat this teaching nowThis is nothing new. Protestant denominations are not in communion with Rome, hence the name "Protestant". It's not saying they are bad people, these individuals cannot go to heaven, or that these other denominations are all bad. Sure each Christian denomination has some truth to it. However, the Catholic Church, has the fullness of truth, and it is the one true Church established by our Lord.