Respect For Other Religions?

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by Edward D. Waller, Ph. D.

Since the Second Vatican Council, there has been great emphasis on ecumenism or unity among all religions. We are now hearing from all levels within the Roman Catholic Church that we must RESPECT all religions. We are told that we must refrain from forcing our beliefs onto others. We are told that all religions hold some truth that may lead to salvation of souls. What we have not been told is that this notion is UTTER NONSENSE and contrary to our traditional faith.

In the encyclical, Humani Generis, Pope Pius XII warns the faithful about false "irenics" (ecumenism). He states: "Another danger is perceived which is all the more concealed beneath the mask of virtue. There are many who, deploring disagreement among men and intellectual confusion, through an imprudent zeal for souls, are urged by a great and ardent desire to do away with the barrier that divides good and honest men; these advocate an 'irenism' according to which, by setting aside the questions which divide men, they aim not only at joining forces to repel the attack of atheism, but also at reconciling things opposed to one another in the field of dogma.

"...But some through enthusiasm for an imprudent 'irenism' seem to consider as an obstacle to the restoration of fraternal union things founded on the laws and principles given by Christ and likewise on institutions founded by Him, or which are the defense and support of the integrity of the faith, and the removal of which would bring about the union of all, but only to their destruction.

"In theology some want to reduce to a minimum the meaning of dogmas: and to free dogma itself from terminology long established in the Church and from philosophical concepts held by Catholic teachers ... They cherish the hope that when dogma is stripped of the elements which they hold to be extrinsic to divine revelation, it will compare advantageously with the dogmatic opinions of those who are separated from the unity of the Church and that in this way they will gradually arrive at a mutual assimilation of Catholic dogma with the tenets of the dissidents.

"Moreover they assert that when Catholic doctrine has been reduced to this condition, a way will be found to satisfy modern needs, that will permit dogma being expressed also by the concepts of modern philosophy ... Some more audaciously affirm that this can and must be done, because they hold that the mysteries of faith are never expressed by truly adequate concepts but only by approximate and ever changeable notions, in which the truth is to some extent expressed, but is necessarily distorted."

Pope Pius XII must have had keen insight and awareness that modernists were infiltrating the Church. His warnings against false ecumenism, however, have been brushed by the wayside. The bishops and clergy have not heeded his warnings. Since the Second Vatican Council, the philosophies of modernists are attempting to strangle out the traditional beliefs and dogmas of our deposit of faith.

Let me begin by first examining the definitions of the verb form of the word, "respect". Webster's dictionary provides two definitions of this word. The first definition of respect is, "to consider worthy of high regard: esteem". The second definition of respect is "to refrain from interfering with".

TO CONSIDER WORTHY OF HIGH REGARD: ESTEEM

Is it possible to consider worthy of high regard or esteem other religious beliefs that are contradictions to the Truth found within the Roman Catholic Church? Should we respect religions that allow polygamy, deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ, deny original sin and the Immaculate Conception? Should we respect beliefs of others that allow divorce, abortion and permit homosexuality as a lifestyle?

How can TRUE Catholics hold these beliefs in high regard or esteem and call themselves followers of Christ? As a Catholic I should respect my fellow brothers and sisters. I can hold human beings in high regard and esteem because each one of us has been created in the image and likeness of God. Jesus gave us the commandment to love God with all our heart, mind and soul and to love our neighbor as ourselves. He did not tell us to love sin or beliefs that contradict His teachings. Thus, I will not elevate with high regard or esteem any religion or belief that contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Pope Pius XII states in the same encyclical, "...God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church." He further states that Christ appointed the Church as "guardian and interpreter of the whole deposit of divinely revealed truth".

God did not send His only begotten Son into the world to establish a multiple of religions equally meriting salvation. If this were the case, there would have been no need for Christ to die on the cross, for all religions would have been equally pleasing to God. Christ came to establish His Church which contains the WHOLE deposit of divinely revealed truth which is the ONLY means to salvation. The present post-conciliar Church has silenced the doctrine of "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church" as a means of promoting false ecumenism which attempts to establish respect for all religions.

I can not understand how Catholics could fall for such nonsense. Are they unaware that a doctrine can never be revoked. A doctrine is a revealed truth through God that can NEVER change. God is pure Truth and can never deceive us. Only man and the serpent are capable of deceptive ploys.

Pope Pius XII reiterates this doctrine very clearly and precisely. "Some say they are not bound by the doctrine which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing. Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith. These and like ERRORS, it is clear, have crept in among certain of our sons who are deceived by imprudent zeal for souls or by false science."

One must realize that the Roman Catholic Church cannot teach that truth and error lead equally well to the salvation of souls. Many people assume that the Church makes claims as to who is saved. This is a misconception on the part of others. The Church can only state what is necessary for salvation. The doctrine of "No salvation outside the Catholic Church" is not a doctrine of intolerance to the individual, but of intolerance to error. Hence, every person is bound to become a member of the Catholic Church.

The present emphasis placed on respecting other religions has contributed to indifferentism spreading like wildfire among the Catholic faithful. Indifferentism involves believing that one faith is as good as another and that all faiths merit salvation. "As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema." (Gal. 1:8). "If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you." (2 John 1:10). Christ gave One Faith, One Truth to His apostles to be passed on to all people through the One True and only Church founded by Christ, The Roman Catholic Church. Any other profession of faith is a false religion.

Thus, the false ecumenism which sometimes encourages Catholics to participate in other religion that brings forth Christ's doctrine as noted in John 1:10.

Malachi B. Martin in a recent article "The Judas Complex" defines this complex as "the compromise of one's basic principles in order to fit in with the modes of thought and behavior that the world regards as necessary for its vital interests." Judas had a different agenda from Christ. Judas wanted things done his way because he thought he knew better then Christ. Betrayal of Christ does not only occur with thirty pieces of silver. Betrayal of Christ occurs when we hold false religions and false beliefs in high esteem. We too become traitors to Christ. To uphold false beliefs, as other religions do, is to mock Christ's revealed Truth and to follow in Judas' footsteps.

The only sound conclusion for all Roman Catholics is to respect only one religion, the True religion founded by Christ Himself: the Roman Catholic Church. To give esteem or regard to other false religions is to betray our Savior as Judas betrayed Him with thirty pieces of silver.

TO REFRAIN FROM INTERFERING WITH

If respecting other religions means to refrain from interfering with other people's beliefs, then how do we reconcile Christ's words to His apostles before ascending into Heaven? "And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to Me in Heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world." (Matt.28:18-20)

Christ's instructions were very clearly given to His apostles. They were commanded to teach ALL (not some) nations ALL things (not some things) whatsoever Christ had commanded them to teach. That is, Christ gave them the revealed truth and all His doctrines. The apostles were not told to respect those nations or beliefs that held different beliefs from Christ's teachings. Even Christ professed Truth to the elite Rabbis who rejected not only His teachings, but Christ as Son of God. Christ was crucified on the cross because He did not compromise His teachings.

The Post-Conciliar Church continues to focus on the similarities among religions. Implicitly, the Church conveys a hush-hush attitude about differences among other religions. Thus, this second meaning of the word "respect" has also gained wide support by the Catholic faithful. I find it most uncharitable to ignore those key differences that separate some of our brothers and sisters from complete union with the Catholic Church. While maintaining this modern notion found throughout the Catholic Church, souls are being lost.

Many of the early apostles, disciples and saints were martyred because they did not respect other people's false religions and beliefs. They proclaimed the teachings and doctrines as Christ instructed them because of their sincere and devout love for Christ.

Let us recall how we sin against faith. "A person sins against faith, first, by not trying to know what God has taught; second, by refusing to believe all that God has taught; third, by neglecting to profess his belief in what God has taught." (Baltimore Catechism No. 4, p. 265) False worship is a sin against the First Commandment. "And now that we have the real sacrifice it would be sinful to use only figures, (as in other religions) and it would be a false worship displeasing to God ...So, too, all those who leave the true Church to practice a religion of their own have a false worship, for they worship God not as He wants, but as they wish" (Baltimore Catechism No. 4, p. 261).

If more Catholics took the Oath against the Errors of Modernism from the Motu Proprio of Pope St. Pius X, Sacrorum Antistitum (1910), our present state of affairs on the respect for other religions would be a moot point. Our Holy Church has been forewarned by Our Lady of Fatima. The Blessed Mother's Third Secret has been kept hidden from the faithful for over thirty years. We can only pray diligently for the Holy Father to consecrate RUSSIA to Holy Mary's Immaculate Heart in union with all the Bishops of the world. After this consecration takes place, the world will no longer doubt that the Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ some two thousand years ago.



This article was taken from the August 1997 issue of Catholic Family News, a most excellent monthly newspaper.
 

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One of the main reasons I have such a lack of regard for organized religion is exactly this... they are all convinced their way is the only way. I don't see any rational argument for why catholicism is right and protestantism is wrong.
 

m_levesque

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One of the main reasons I have such a lack of regard for organized religion is exactly this... they are all convinced their way is the only way. I don't see any rational argument for why catholicism is right and protestantism is wrong.
Catholicism is the church founded by Christ. Protestant heretics left the faith, we didn't leave them!
 

tracy

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Catholicism is the church founded by Christ. Protestant heretics left the faith, we didn't leave them!

So does that mean the men running the catholic church are infallible? Cause Jesus obviously hasn't run things in a long time, so if those men are fallible then the protestants could have been right about them (the catholics) being wrong... kwim? So I'm back to where I started (not getting why one church must be perfect and all the others lead to damnation).
 

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If you don't respect other people's religion, don't expect to get much respect in return.
 

Sparrow

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Catholicism is the church founded by Christ. Protestant heretics left the faith, we didn't leave them!
This "holier than thou" attitude is why so many RC don't go to Church anymore. If you read the RC bible Jesus taught tolerance, love,foregiveness and he created his Church but the Church of man made of wood and stone has none of these qualities. If the church of man is so perfect when it comes to religion how can it be so sinful as it has been these past years. Bias, bigotry and cruelity to others were taught by this church not Jesus.
 

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So Levesque you deny the findings of the Second Vatican Council? This is dogma set out by your earthly apostle of Christ. You dare to question the Vatican and the pope?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
Who are you to question the pope? He is gods holy representative. You deny the autority of the Roman Catholic church and the hierarchy set up by your lord Jesus Christ?

You are a heretic.
 

RomSpaceKnight

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What Levesque posts is not the word of Christ or the Holy Father. What he spouts is heresy. He is doomed to hell as assuredly as any pagan, atheist or non-christian.
 

Alexander

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I respect most religions... Some I find are just, weird. (ie. Scientology)
And I don't like most Atheists because they tend to be rather rude. The kinds of Atheists I usually meet always try to change my beliefs by laughing at what I believe in or trying to start an arguement.


Hey just a question, RomSpaceKnight, are you a Satanist?
 

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I can understand m_levesque point of view. I can see why she thinks the way she does.
M_levesque knows only what she has learned through the Catholic Church.
So, naturally, she will be guided by it’s teachings.

It is like if one was inside a bottle looking out. Everything out side of the bottle is seen as not being part of the inside, therefore can only conclude, as not acceptable, condemned or rejected.

But if we were to venture out of that bottle, we would see things from a different perspective. Now: looking in.

There have been many who have ventured out only to get into another bottle with basically the same attitude as the first bottle, and that being condemnation, rejection.

Perhaps: the ins and outs of different bottles have advanced, progressed the knowledge of the real truth?

Until there is no bottle to bottle the truth up, but to become free!

I’ve learned by many who have traveled that path in whose experiences have given me a better knowledge of what the truth really is.

I have them to thank even though they themselves never really arrived at where I am today.

I have no bottle to bottle me up because I believe in the salvation of all mankind.

I see from the outside looking in to all the bottles of religious beliefs or non-beliefs and find none to condemn.

You are free to practice whatever you wish! But let me emphasize, that in whatever you practice, if no love is exercised, then you are just living for yourself.

If you are going to be a Catholic, then be a good Catholic. If you are going to be an Atheist, then be a good atheist. A protestant, then be a good protestant.

If there is no love, than all of the above are but tinkling cymbals. Noise, but no melody.

So, what is your religion? Do you, in it, exercise love? Then you must not condemn no body to hell, for if Jesus didn’t, why should we?

Let each one condemn their own selves by their own conscience.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

m_levesque

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I can understand m_levesque point of view. I can see why she thinks the way she does.
M_levesque knows only what she has learned through the Catholic Church.
So, naturally, she will be guided by it’s teachings.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


Note.. "M" stands for Michael, therefore, I'm a man:)
 

m_levesque

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What Levesque posts is not the word of Christ or the Holy Father. What he spouts is heresy. He is doomed to hell as assuredly as any pagan, atheist or non-christian.


Excellent, a pagan teaching us about the truth of the Catholic church and heresy! Pope Leo XIII’s admonition that "salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Catholic Church" has always been the teaching of the Church. Even non-Catholics who are saved under the conditions set forth by Vatican II are saved through their union with Christ’s Church, whether or not they realize it on this earth.
 

m_levesque

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I respect most religions... Some I find are just, weird. (ie. Scientology)
And I don't like most Atheists because they tend to be rather rude. The kinds of Atheists I usually meet always try to change my beliefs by laughing at what I believe in or trying to start an arguement.


Hey just a question, RomSpaceKnight, are you a Satanist?

He calls himself a pagan, which is another word for satanist.
 

m_levesque

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So does that mean the men running the catholic church are infallible? Cause Jesus obviously hasn't run things in a long time, so if those men are fallible then the protestants could have been right about them (the catholics) being wrong... kwim? So I'm back to where I started (not getting why one church must be perfect and all the others lead to damnation).


Because Christ founded a Church, not the Churches. That Church was the Catholic church.
 

m_levesque

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What Levesque posts is not the word of Christ or the Holy Father. What he spouts is heresy. He is doomed to hell as assuredly as any pagan, atheist or non-christian.
From the Catholic catechism:
816 "The sole Church of Christ [is that] which our Savior, after his Resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care, commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it. . . . This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him."267

The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God."268
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
Toward unity
820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279
821 Certain things are required in order to respond adequately to this call: - a permanent renewal of the Church in greater fidelity to her vocation; such renewal is the driving-force of the movement toward unity;280
- conversion of heart as the faithful "try to live holier lives according to the Gospel";281 for it is the unfaithfulness of the members to Christ's gift which causes divisions;
- prayer in common, because "change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name 'spiritual ecumenism;"'282
- fraternal knowledge of each other;283
- ecumenical formation of the faithful and especially of priests;284
- dialogue among theologians and meetings among Christians of the different churches and communities;285
- collaboration among Christians in various areas of service to mankind.286 "Human service" is the idiomatic phrase.


822 Concern for achieving unity "involves the whole Church, faithful and clergy alike."287 But we must realize "that this holy objective - the reconciliation of all Christians in the unity of the one and only Church of Christ - transcends human powers and gifts." That is why we place all our hope "in the prayer of Christ for the Church, in the love of the Father for us, and in the power of the Holy Spirit."288
 

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So Levesque you deny the findings of the Second Vatican Council? This is dogma set out by your earthly apostle of Christ. You dare to question the Vatican and the pope?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
Who are you to question the pope? He is gods holy representative. You deny the autority of the Roman Catholic church and the hierarchy set up by your lord Jesus Christ?

You are a heretic.
From Dominus Iesus:

17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him.58 The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church, since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of the Primacy, which, according to the will of God, the Bishop of Rome objectively has and exercises over the entire Church.60

On the other hand, the ecclesial communities which have not preserved the valid Episcopate and the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery,61 are not Churches in the proper sense; however, those who are baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church.62 Baptism in fact tends per se toward the full development of life in Christ, through the integral profession of faith, the Eucharist, and full communion in the Church.63

“The Christian faithful are therefore not permitted to imagine that the Church of Christ is nothing more than a collection — divided, yet in some way one — of Churches and ecclesial communities; nor are they free to hold that today the Church of Christ nowhere really exists, and must be considered only as a goal which all Churches and ecclesial communities must strive to reach”.64 In fact, “the elements of this already-given Church exist, joined together in their fullness in the Catholic Church and, without this fullness, in the other communities”.65 “Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66
 

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Excellent, a pagan teaching us about the truth of the Catholic church and heresy! Pope Leo XIII’s admonition that "salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Catholic Church" has always been the teaching of the Church. Even non-Catholics who are saved under the conditions set forth by Vatican II are saved through their union with Christ’s Church, whether or not they realize it on this earth.


Somewhat accurate. We affirm that the Church is the only means of salvation. however, we also realize that God's mercy extends even beyond our understanding and thus we acknowledge that others of good faith may also be saved. they are saved, as it were, through the graces of the Church, even if they do not recognize or realize this.

We must teach the truth of Holy Mother Church as that body founded by Christ to safeguard the faith and administer the Sacraments, but we also must not limit God to our expectations of what is the road to salvation.
 

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What Levesque posts is not the word of Christ or the Holy Father. What he spouts is heresy. He is doomed to hell as assuredly as any pagan, atheist or non-christian.


Not quite, The teachings that the Catholic Church is the true faith are as ancient as the Catholic Church. Though they try to pretend tolerance and ecumenical love, in fact they do not practice or preach this. One obvious example, go to a Catholic Mass, let the priest know you're not catholic and see if you get their communion or not. That, to me as a non-catholic, speaks volumes about what they really believe.
 

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He calls himself a pagan, which is another word for satanist.
And you have the gull to call us people of a lower intellect. I would wager, I know more about your religion then you know of ours, and this somehow makes you an expert???
You know what an "expert" is?

An 'ex' as in 'has bin' and a 'drip' under pressure.

But I would ay you're more of a fascist then anything else.
Somewhat accurate. We affirm that the Church is the only means of salvation. however, we also realize that God's mercy extends even beyond our understanding and thus we acknowledge that others of good faith may also be saved. they are saved, as it were, through the graces of the Church, even if they do not recognize or realize this.

We must teach the truth of Holy Mother Church as that body founded by Christ to safeguard the faith and administer the Sacraments, but we also must not limit God to our expectations of what is the road to salvation.
Jesus H. Christ, this has to be the most thoughtful post I have ever read from you.
Not quite, The teachings that the Catholic Church is the true faith are as ancient as the Catholic Church. Though they try to pretend tolerance and ecumenical love, in fact they do not practice or preach this. One obvious example, go to a Catholic Mass, let the priest know you're not catholic and see if you get their communion or not. That, to me as a non-catholic, speaks volumes about what they really believe.
I would accept that as a pretty good example.