Reform Party's goods and bads?

[freakerz]

Long story short,
I am starting a political party in Quebec, provincial party, populist and centered. People are very interested. And I am doing my marketting job very well thus far.. h34r:

Now I want to follow what Harper did, in a way, and learn why the Reform party was popular, and why it failed, or became the CPC.

So list away or comment! Thanks

Website for the party isn't finished, but I translated most of it, only the ideas are left to do.

http://prdq.qc.ca/

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[Colpy]

The problem with the Reform Party.....and I was a member......was that t simply did not appeal to the majority of Canadians. Its concerns were too focused, its platform too principled for it NOT to alienate some voters on each issue......

Its simple, really. In politics, the party with the least principles almost always wins because they alienate the fewest people ......thus the success of the Liberals for decades.

 

[s_lone]

Rétablir la peine de mort?!!! Tu joues avec le feu mon ami...
Pas sur que ça va marcher fort au Québec...

I really don't think Quebecers are interested in death penalty. But a couple of good ideas in there of course..

Free public transit system... Bring it on! (but what's the financial plan?)

It's OK to want to get away from the sterile federalist-seperatist debate, but what do you propose? What should be the role of Quebec as a province? How far should our autonomy go?

 

[freakerz]

RE: Reform Party's goods

Yoda, those ideas are to debate on, they are only a start for solutions.

Free public transit is for the elderly people, not people with jobs that can afford it.

Death penalty would be in cases of "life sentences" and such.. like Olson.. 11 murders and he doesn't feel sorry.. well why pay him a condo with our money? Kill him and be done with it.

People say it costs too much in procedures to kill someone legaly? Well let's change that system and make it short and quick.

As far as the financial plan, I printed the budget for 2006-2007 of the Liberals, so I'll check how much they spent and try to figure out the numbers..

The ideas are not promises, they are debates that the party will have. They are parts of the solution to several problems!

 

[Frozen Canuck]

RE: Reform Party's goods

The Reform party succeeded because it appealed to those who were frustrated with the status quo, and who wanted a generally more conservative fiscal and social policy in Canada.

It ultimately failed because it was viewed largely as a Western party, wasn't trusted to deal with Quebec, experienced growing pains all new parties go through, and therefore wasn't seen as "ready" to govern, and some of their policies were too conservative to be embraced by enough (eastern) Canadians to win an election.

 

[Simpleton]

I think that if you are serious about starting a provincial party in Quebec, you'd best study the history of the Bloc or the P.Q. Both parties emerged rather abruptly from a very well organized grassroots base. Both parties are also heavily Quebec-centric.

I can't understand why you'd be studying the evolution of the Reform party as a basis for your Quebec-only party, when the reality is that Quebecors largely rejected the Reform party in its entirety.

I'd suggest that you begin your search a little closer to home, and move out from there. Talk to people in your province and get a sense for how they're thinking and feeling. Make note of common themes and the types of people that are raising the common themes.

It just doesn't make sense to get a feel for how the rest of Canada feels about certain issues, when it is the Quebec people that you want to appeal to. Know what I mean?

 

[freakerz]

RE: Reform Party's goods

No no, this is not to base my party about it.

I was just wondering, cuz the idea of the Reform Party was good, well the populism and return the power to the people attitude.. that's what I want to promote..

I know how to get elected, it's just to organize the party itself..

This is just to know how the liberals do their shit.. I read the question in 96 to the Reformist MP.. quite the question Liberals here, or separatists woudl ask!

 

[Simpleton]

Re: RE: Reform Party's goods

No no, this is not to base my party about it.

I was just wondering, cuz the idea of the Reform Party was good, well the populism and return the power to the people attitude.. that's what I want to promote..

I know how to get elected, it's just to organize the party itself..

This is just to know how the liberals do their shit.. I read the question in 96 to the Reformist MP.. quite the question Liberals here, or separatists woudl ask!

That's what I mean. The populist Reform agenda took off in the west, but was virtually rejected in Quebec. If you're looking for populist ideas that will appeal to Quebecors, you'd best look to the Bloc or the P.Q. I'm assuming that you'd want to differentiate your party by having a federalist agenda. Correct?

 

[freakerz]

RE: Reform Party's goods

Dunno yet, I would hope for some autonomy, independance can't be made right now, in my book, cuz it's an improvised plan, to me..

I can't express my opinion, as far as the party will go, weither it will be federalist or not or autonomist. It will depend on certain factors. The main one, where is the money at.. is there a fiscal imbalanced where Ottawa owes Quebec money, is it all just a PQ make up of bad administration..

I see the party more and more as an intervenant party, that would go in mandate for like 2-4 years, do like a term, fix the social problems and reform the fuck out of the system.. and then do an election again..

 

[Simpleton]

Re: RE: Reform Party's goods

Dunno yet, I would hope for some autonomy, independance can't be made right now, in my book, cuz it's an improvised plan, to me..

I can't express my opinion, as far as the party will go, weither it will be federalist or not or autonomist. It will depend on certain factors. The main one, where is the money at.. is there a fiscal imbalanced where Ottawa owes Quebec money, is it all just a PQ make up of bad administration..

I see the party more and more as an intervenant party, that would go in mandate for like 2-4 years, do like a term, fix the social problems and reform the *censored* out of the system.. and then do an election again..

Are the people of Quebec looking to have the system reformed? I don't know.

 

[freakerz]

RE: Reform Party's goods

We'll see how the debates go.

But for sure they are for a good reform of the justice system. The education system too. And the imputability of government workers.