Raid on potfarm not reasonable

Reverend Blair

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If it was that cold a protable heater would solve it.

It would cost more than he made selling his pot to heat a building like that.

BTW who cares about leaves you want the bud LOL

Same problem. A plant in less than ideal conditions begins to shut down...to conserve its energy. In cold, dry conditions it will try to limit the surface area exposed to the cold and/or that moisture can be lost through.

It just points to us still not being told the whole story.

I think the cops just screwed up Sadly.

Yup. I don't think it was the gys that got killed so much as the guys who put them there. There's a fair bit of ass-covering going on.

Oh I also heard that some are now calling for automatic 2 year sentences for growning first time or not. Federal time for growing a plant how stupid I almost think that I'm living in the states.

That comes from the same people who were trying to politicize this whole thing from the start. Funny how that works, isn't it? BTW, the proposed bill would include somebody who had a plant or two for personal use, including medicinal use if they didn't have a permit from the government.
 

shamus11

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At this point in time it looks like this dangerous crazy criminal pedophile drugger should not have been released from jail.

The politicians screwed up by their lenient attitude towards criminals, the mounties screwed up by walking into his trap and the criminal screwed up because that's what he did.

Build bigger jails.
 

fubbleskag

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Re: RE: Raid on potfarm not reasonable

shamus11 said:
Build bigger jails.
 

Vanni Fucci

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Reverend Blair said:
It just points to us still not being told the whole story.

I think the cops just screwed up Sadly.

Yup. I don't think it was the gys that got killed so much as the guys who put them there. There's a fair bit of ass-covering going on.

What my gut told me when I first heard the story was that those guys were out there not at the behest of their detachment...my gut told me that Jim Rozko's name came across one of the officer's desk, and they formed a posse to go take this guy down, once and for all...my gut told me that the rest of their detachment had no idea what they were up to, which is why the crime scene was just sort of stumbled upon...my gut told me that the rest of the story was manufactured so these four brave officer's could be given a hero's funeral...

...the finding of the grow-op may have been manufactured, or not, it really doesn't change my gut feeling either way...

...and as a side note, it seems that the gun registry, and de-criminalization of marijuana took a kick in the pants over this...I'm still looking for a SSM and National Daycare angle to this story...
 

tibear

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Vanni,

Fortunately, "your gut" was wrong.

Everyone knew this guy was trouble. Everybody.

So the pot grow-op was not the issue after all, it was all about an vehicle payment. It seems a bit trumped up, like an excuse to 'go git him'. I am sure you will agree it was not worth going after him for a late payment!!

This is the exact attitude that I was talking about earlier. This guy was trouble and everyone knew it, BUT there was very little the police could do legally. Without direct evidence that he was doing something illegal they didn't have the right to bother the guy.

So when they got this chance to get onto his property legally, they took it because they knew that probably something was eventually going to happen. They obviously underestimated the guys firepower and botched the operation but I think the police were trying to get this guy "off the street".

As a side note, I must be completely blind, because I'm constantly being accused of "sidetracking" debate in this forum and I really can't see it. I may try to give a debate a different perspective but I believe that all of my points are relevant. It not like I talk about the use of illegal drugs and then go into discussing various hockey defensive tactics.
 

missile

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Why do people think that Police are there for our protection? They aren't,not at all. The purpose of a Police force is to enforce whatever laws the establishment set down. Try calling 911!
 

Vanni Fucci

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tibear said:
Vanni,

Fortunately, "your gut" was wrong.

Everyone knew this guy was trouble. Everybody.

...but don't you see, tibear, this only supports my gut's position...

...but first of all I'd like to say that nothing I say here will detract from the sacrifice these four brave Mounties have made...Roszko was a dick, and those four officers are heros in my book...

Knowing that what you say is true, of which I have no doubt, that Roszko was trouble, and everyone was afraid of him, including the police, then why would they knowingly send these four rookies to his place, without proper supervision? Was it a rookie initiation? A hazing ritual? Not likely...

The first reports that came out said that the four officers were "discovered" by emergency response teams...

This is a very different account from what was later published, about how the four officers were waiting for the auto theft team from Edmonton, and that the auto theft detail had arrived just as the shooting commenced...and that the four were inside the quonset hut...

again, the first reports of this tragic event, was that they had lost radio contact with the officers, and that they sent emegency response and reinforcements from Edmonton to the scene...

I believe the RCMP spin doctors had to adjust the official story to exhonerate the officers and the RCMP as a whole of any negligence or wrong-doing...attempting to search without probable cause and such...

I think they were acting outside of their purview...I think they showing a typical rookie bravado, were sick of backing down and acting the pussy whenever this guy was mentioned, and I think they went out there to take him down...

Because they'd been taught in the academy that the Mounties are always supposed to get their man...
 

tibear

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I think we can all agree that there will be a review of what took place during this incident and recommendations (and hopefully changes) will follow.
 

Karlin

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Re: We do NOT trust authority- the results are showing

Now that we got this far in the debate, so its time to ask what is behind the rage of Roszko, and so many others who have a similiar disdain for authority?

For Roszko, like many many other Canadaians, it was about the unfair pot laws. This is a big one today in Canada. We know pot laws need to be re-worked, and so whenever a cop enforces the present law, he loses credability. Thats it, thats enough to invalidate all cops, and for us to see them as the enemy of freedoms instead of the protector of us. And they are then a TARGET, and rage is understandable [the violence is probably not justifyable, but thats another discussion]


Also, there is the authority figures who have abused their position of trust, who used their powers to abuse people. This invalidates authority in general. I am thinking of the alter boys who were abused by priests - if Roszko were on of these, we could understand his rage but would expect him to shoot priests instead of cops.

There are tons of abuses by authority , like Bush invading Iraq on false pretense , and the cops who take drugs and money for themselves, and the way the CIA has financed it operations against drugs with drug money. Hypocracy, immoral behaviors, like using torture - these all make us HATE authority, we RAGE against such outlandish acts and the people who perpetrate them.

It is historical fact that cops have been on the wrong side of the law at times.Armies too, whole nations like Germany in the 1930s and 40s. There is no code or rule or certainty that what cops do is right. WE give them the powers they have, and we do it to protect ourselves but they turn it around and lord over us...

...we know this isn't right, and when Roszko was faced with all his work growing pot being lost once again to the cops, he know it wasn't to protect anyone, and that it was part of the conspiracy against cannibus in general, so its obvious that he will be in a rage. Maybe he did have a chop shop there too, we don't really know the facts - BECAUSE WE DON'T TRUST AUTHORITY !!

I don't , you don't...media, cops statements, politicians - Its time to get this problem figured out - we cannot continue having authority without trust, or more cops will get shot and more and more people with issues against authority will find themselves "on the outside", and thats where trouble starts.

We all gotta belong somewhere, even if we are different or have different needs, we cannot have a war on drugs that is actually a war on US and expect people to just lie down and take it.


Karlin
 

Twila

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RE: Raid on potfarm not r

Rozco was a convicted Pedophile.

Those that abuse are abused. His rage most probably stems from that. Hence his disdain for authority.

It's too bad that 4 officers died. Glad he's dead.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Raid on potfarm not r

I'm never glad when somebody is dead. Instead I wonder how they got that way. Rozko started dying a long time ago. Why, and how, did we let it get to the point where he killed four RCMP and hurt who knows how many others in his protracted suicide?
 

dan_c22

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Re: We do NOT trust authority- the results are showing

Karlin said:
Now that we got this far in the debate, so its time to ask what is behind the rage of Roszko

Karlin said:
For Roszko, like many many other Canadaians, it was about the unfair pot laws.

Roszo was a crackpot. Weed laws had little to do with his actions that day.
 

tibear

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Karlin,

It is the attitudes like yours that blame our drug laws for the actions of people like Mr Roszko that I was complaining about earlier.

Your simply using a situation to promote YOUR cause which has little or nothing to do with the actual events. He was a loose cannon(figuratively and literally) and was going to explode at some point. Unfortunately, the justice system didn't handle the problem before these 4 RCMP officers were killed.

By reading your post, Mr Roszko would have been an ideal citizen if he had been left alone to grow his weed and left by himself. That simply isn't the case and we both know it.
 

missile

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The man's own brother said it was only a matter of time before he murdered someone and that he was always bad. He also was composing a letter of sympathy to the families of the 4 RCMP officers,a small but meaningful apology from his family.