Raid on potfarm not reasonable

[Karlin]

I am just so angry about this shooting of 4 police officers at a grow op and chop shop take down. It didn't need to happen, it should not have happened over pot.

This whole deal is tangled up with the various illegal activities of stolen cars , which is a good crime to enforce, and the grow op which seems to be the focus of this event, for which there is no clear laws now, and people feel its WRONG to enforce grow op busts.

Maybe the shooter got so fed up with this stupid law that he decided to commit suicide and take "a few assholes" down with them. Its the prohibition that creates these situation, no doubt about that. Pot would not be mixed up with hard drugs or chop shops or even guns if this prohibition were relaxed.

Most people believe its right to stop this prohibition of pot, so some will go ahead and grow it, but its still illegal, and then this happens. Why are cops being used to enforce pot laws? I bet they would not have gone after this farm if it were just a chop shop, so its the cops causing a lot of these conflicts over grow ops.

Other problems with grow ops are ALL because its illegal - growers would do it right if it were legal, and thats what we must must must do is make it legal - THIS IS JUST NOT WORTH IT

Sure, they died, and I feel bad for their families, but anyone who becomes a friggin' COP and feels okay about enforcing pot laws , well... they are using deadly force on POT 'CRIMINALS' , which is beyond the realm of reasonable, so they should expect to be seen as the enemy of the people, and an unfortunate friend of the corporate christian right pharmaceutical corporation stupid assholes who conspire to keep this medicine -cannibus - prohibited, AND SURE, THEY SHOULD EXPECT TO BE SHOT if they are going to insist on enforcing pot laws.

ITS WRONG to kill, but its wrong to enforce pot laws too. This just should not have happened. No flags at half mast here...

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no name, I am not karlin I am just using his computer in a police state called Canada.

 

[peapod]

:lol: :lol: oh boy you asked for it karlin...you better stick around to debate this and not post and run :wink:

 

[missile]

He or she is too busy hiding the stash to reply right now

 

[Munkustrap]

I agree when you say that these laws are not worth dying over. It's a hard situation, I mean, the deaths of the four cops and the shooter are the result of two very conflicting philosophies. Prohibition does not work, it didn't work for alcohol, and it isn't working for drugs, especially marijuana (sp?). Sadly someone was a little irrational when dealing with the police. Lets just hope these social groups can come to an agreement.

Personally I'm a supporter of marijuana, but that doesn't mean I support growers killing people. If you want to hurt the government, you threaten to not re-elect them, not kill civil servants. Still, I also don't support the oppressive laws that are trying to illegalize something as miniscule as the marijuana plant. It's too expensive. (Look how much money the provincial governments make off alcohol sales. Imagine the money they could make off selling G's of pot.)

 

[dan_c22]

It is wrong to enforce pot laws? I don't believe the police have the luxury of deciding which laws to enforce and which not to.

You should expect to be shot if enforcing Pot laws? Are you implying that these degenerates who shoot people over pot would somehow be law abiding and rational if they were able to grow pot legally? These people have problems other then just growing pot...

 

[Cosmo]

Good grief, this is not about pot laws! This is about a maniac who shoots people, in this case cops and himself. If it weren't the dope I'm sure there would have been some other issue that brought this fruit loop to crisis.

I find it upsetting that the press has lept on the pot issue rather than emphasizing the true problem ... the guy was a nutter. It's just one more twisted logic attempt of the new prohibitionists to further their anti-pot agenda. To prostitute the tragic deaths of police officers for their cause is below contempt.

I agree that the cops are bound to enforce the laws of the land, even when those laws are, in my opinion, dead wrong. But these officers didn't die because of a grow op. They died because one man's reality cheque bounced. The press should be lined up and shot for their part in the sensationalization.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Raid on potfarm not r

That's all very much politically driven though, Cosmo...not least by the RCMP themselves. They were very slow to correct the errors in the press reports...they went out there to repossess a truck, the grow-op and chop-shop were incidental finds.

The RCMP and the Alberta government have full-time press liason officers. Instead of clarifying what happened, they let leaks and rumours get into the press.

In this age of instant communication and professional information management that doesn't happen by accident.

 

[Cosmo]

RE: Raid on potfarm not r

You got a point, Rev. So whose agenda were they furthering with the bs?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Raid on potfarm not r

Various police associations have spoken out against any liberalization of drug laws. The Conservatives (national and provincial) are against decriminalization. There is a socially conservative faction within the Liberals that is against relaxing the pot laws.

Keep in mind that this happened in Alberta, where social conservatism is politically dominant.

 

[tibear]

Csmo,

I find it upsetting that the press has lept on the pot issue rather than emphasizing the true problem ... the guy was a nutter. It's just one more twisted logic attempt of the new prohibitionists to further their anti-pot agenda. To prostitute the tragic deaths of police officers for their cause is below contempt.

What upsets me even more is the people like Karlin, who almost blames the 4 innocent police officers for enforcing the laws of the land.

They want so much to impose their beliefs onto the rest of us that they completely gloss over the fact that 4 men are dead. Its like blaming a traffic light that is turning red for causing people to speed through an intersection just as a light turns red and kills either another motorists or pedestrian who has now entered just as the luncatic tried running the red.

Take responsibility for yourself and your actions. Stop blaming everyone else around you and look in the mirror.

 

[peapod]

Nice twist and riddle there tibear, not really, its just your same old stuff :roll: and ehm...here is a little secret...mirrors only give a small aspect of someone's true nature....usually you have to look behind the mirror to get the real picture. dah!!!

Why don't you look in that mirror yourself and go and refute the truth that vanni has laid out for you. No, I suppose not eh?? Just like you are not interested in the larger picture of how this horrible act occured. No you look at as an opportunity to try and encite people who are emotional over this issue...old trick...overused and real obvious!!!

 

[Munkustrap]

Everything in a mirror is backwards...

As for this issue, the man who shot them is done, and it seems a large majority will agree he was a loose canon. As for the drugs, they were found during the investigation of the deaths of the officers. It was a fluke. This incedent was completely unpredictable, and stuff like this could just as easily happen again, unless you begin to assume everyone is very, very irrational. There is only so much this country can do for the family of the officers, I think so far Canada has been good to them, but only they can make the pain go away. As for future events, as I said, unless they begin sending SWAT teams over to give you a parking ticket, there isn't a solution for potentially crazy people.

 

[peapod]

Well its seems there was alot that could have been done about Mr. Jim Rozko. I am sure alot of people read the story in the globe and mail. This man terrorized a town for 15 years. Even the police were afraid of him. He was a pedophile, and as the paper stated a gun toting one, authority hating one. They should have sent the military to get him.

 

[mrmom2]

Has anybody seen any evidence there was a grow op ?The cops have not told the truth about what really happened out there.All we know is what the mass media has told us .I for one don't trust what they say

 

[tibear]

Attack all you want Pea, it still doesn't get around the fact that the pro-drug people are using the deaths of these young men for their own political gain.

For that they should be ashamed!!

And where is Karlin??? He starts up such this highly emotional thread and then disappears??

 

[fubbleskag]

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Raid on potfarm not r

Karlin started up this thread based on the facts we knew at the time and it was the anti-drug people who politicized this tibear. What you see here is the response to that.

There was a grow-op Mr. Mom. Twenty mature plants, about 100 garden pots that had sprouts in them, and some "processed marijuana". Processed? I guess this summer when I pull a tomato off the vine I can say I processed it.

They found the grow-op after they found the chop shop, but they were there to repossess a truck. The guy had at least one assault rifle, which he used to kill the cops and himself, but people in town say that he had a stash of weapons. He was prohibited from owning a gun and in a town that size if the neighbours knew he had guns, then so did the cops. There are also rumours that he had tunnels, weapons stashed underground, etc. There is no way that four rookie cops should have been left out there under those circumstances.

I want to know more about this grow-op though. My dad has a Quonset hut about the same size as the one Rosko had. It stops the wind, but it's just as cold inside as it is outside. There is really no way that a building like that can be heated. How the hell did he have a grow-op in there in the winter time?

 

[tibear]

RB,

I'm not disputing anything you've said.

What I find reprehesible is the fact that people are judging these young men(who didn't have a choice to go to this location) on the fact that died "busting" a grow op.

It has subsequently come out that the grow op wasn't the purpose of their raid and yet people are still using these young men's death to their political gain.

The same people that are now chastising the people for not going in to arrest Mr Rosko would have been the first one's to scream that the police were overstepping their authority if they had gone in before to arrest him for simply being "scary". After all he had been arrested and was checked out by a psychiatrist who declared him competent. If the police had gone in the Left would have been screaming that we were living in a police state.

 

[peapod]

grgrgrgrgrgr why don't your read the newspaper tibear!!!!! oh never mind....I see what your tatic is, this is just the kinda stuff your great leader tried to pull during the election....Don't you people ever tire of using these cheap tricks!!

In case you wanna play dumb...ehm okay...I am talking about your leader Mr. hair 45, using the murder of Holly Jones for a political agenda...just like you are doing right here with these murders.

You do not care who this killer was or how he lived his life. You do not care what led to this. Its clear what your doing....try something else :roll:

 

[fubbleskag]

grgrgrgrgrgr why don't your read the newspaper tibear!!!!! oh never mind....I see what your tatic is, this is just the kinda stuff your great leader tried to pull during the election....Don't you people ever tire of using these cheap tricks!!

In case you wanna play dumb...ehm okay...I am talking about your leader Mr. hair 45, using the murder of Holly Jones for a political agenda...just like you are doing right here with these murders.

You do not care who this killer was or how he lived his life. You do not care what led to this. Its clear what your doing....try something else :roll:

it's not clear to me - would you mind outlining it for me (small words, k?)